Small plane crashes near Quebec City airport

[No Conflict]

Sincere condolences and heart felt thoughts go out to Crew, passengers and family... Another tragedy rocks our small family..

[robbreid]

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NTSB ADVISORY

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National Transportation Safety Board

Washington, DC 20594



June 24, 2010



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NTSB ASSISTS GOVERNMENT OF CANADA IN AVIATION ACCIDENT



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The National Transportation Safety Board has dispatched an

aviation investigator to assist the government of Canada in

its investigation of the crash of a Hawker Beechcraft

Corporation King Air B-100 (C-FGIN).



At approximately 05:58 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time on June

23, the aircraft crashed near Quebec City, Quebec, Canada,

shortly after takeoff. Preliminary reports indicate 7

persons were fatally injured. There are no reported injuries

on the ground.



NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman has designated air safety

investigator Ed Malinowski as the U.S. Accredited

Representative. His team will include a technical advisor

from Hawker Beechcraft.



The investigation is being conducted by the Transportation

Safety Board of the Government of Canada, which will release

all information on the progress of the investigation. The

agency's phone number in Canada is (1) 819-997-7887 (24 hour)

and the agency's email address is: airops@tsb.gc.ca.

[55+]

With the little bit of time I have in a A100(3000+), it can be a handful if you let it with those 4 bladed props and relative short wings, AF was an option on the A100 and the ones that I flew didn't have it. From what I read in the papers this particular airplane got to 500 ft and a bit so at that point you should have more going for you, however I certainly won't speculate. Of course the 200 was much better with AF and rudder boost and more power. If I am correct the A100 was Beech's first stand alone design for the turbine cabin class twins, the 90's had the same fuselage as the old Queen Air and the 200 had the same fuselage as the A100 but with t-tail, long tapered wings and more hp(850 ea), but I could indeed be wrong.

Condolences to family/friends/co-workers of those who died in this tragic accident.

[Highflyinpilot]

My condolences to the family and friends of all on board.


Were any names released on this one?

[RenegadeAV8R]

... Were any names released on this one?

The names are posted on the following website. It is in french (I could not find the equivalent in english), but pilote = pilot and copilote = co-pilot.

http://www.quebechebdo.com/article-4646 ... letee.html

[Mister]

Here is the translation of the above noted article.....Rest in Peace Andre...

The seven bodies of the victims of the crushing of plane of last Wednesday in Quebec were identified by the Office of the coroner.
It is about André Faucher and Dominique Lefebvre, respectively pilot and copilot of the plane. The five passengers were Nicole Brouard, Frédérick Dufour, Jacques Gagnon, Gérald Joncas as well as Norman Tremblay. For some days, the names of the victims circulated in mass media, nevertheless the coroner transmitted names in mass media in party today.

« Any information relating to reasons and circumstances of these seven deceases will be made public by means of the reports of coroner loaded with investigations, Miss Andrée Kronström. In view of the complicacy of this type of accident and as reasons and circumstances of the crushing of the plane are nowadays under inquiry by the Office of the security of the transport of Canada, several months will be necessary for the production of these reports », it was mentioned in the press release.

[warner]

I read somewhere that Andre was from Manitoba, can anyone confirm that and if so I might have worked with him around Winnipeg.........thanks

[FL020]

André was from Edmonton, AB - and flew in Peace River for some time. Rest in Peace André.

[station60]

My thoughts go out to the deceased family, friends. Tragic loss.

[x-wind]

My sincerest condolences to all the families involved. I knew André personally and would like to attest to the good man I knew him to be.

[skymarc]

RIP and condaleance to friends and family.

I heard from reliable source, no cockpit recorder or FDR, TSB investigator is pretty pissed off, " All I got to worked with is a burned up cratter"

[55+]

Don't think BE-A100 had CVR/FDR, nor was it a requirement. As for the TSB being"pissed off" well they do have investigative authority in order to establish a probable cause but do not have any regulatory authority. In their investigating process and findings(probable cause) they can only recommend, they can't order.

[Percy]

Actually a CVR IS required if the aircraft is configured for more than 5 passengers and if the aircraft is flown two crew. Aeropro had challenged the CAR's requirement for a CVR in the courts and subsequently got a waiver from TC for the CVR.

[Old fella]

Must be new requirements cause when I was with TC we had a fleet of BE90/A100 and there was 1 Be200 in the Atlantic - none were fitted with CVR/FDR. I also know for a fact there are currently BE200's around in industry not fitted with CVR/FDR

[flyinthebug]

Actually a CVR IS required if the aircraft is configured for more than 5 passengers and if the aircraft is flown two crew. Aeropro had challenged the CAR's requirement for a CVR in the courts and subsequently got a waiver from TC for the CVR.

This is true. We also got a waiver from TC for our 1st A100..but we had to limit configuration to 9 seats or less (703) not 5, and ran it two crew at all times. As long as we abided by those terms, we did not require a CVR. 9 revenue seats in a PA31-350 or 9 revenue seats in an A100, same thing. Both under 12,500 and both can be run 703. Im not sure where the (5) seat limit comes into play? Anyone?

[Twigs&Berries]

CARS 605.33

(2) Subject to section 605.34, no person shall conduct a take-off in a multi-engined turbine-powered aircraft that is configured for six or more passenger seats and for which two pilots are required by the aircraft type certificate or by the subpart under which the aircraft is operated, unless the aircraft is equipped with a cockpit voice recorder that conforms to section 551.101 of Chapter 551 of the Airworthiness Manual and section 625.33 of Standard 625 — Aircraft Equipment and Maintenance of the General Operating and Flight Rules Standards.

[Benwa]

for which two pilots are required by the aircraft type certificate or by the subpart under which the aircraft is operated

That's why we can fly the King Air 100 without CVR... even single pilot.

[Percy]

Twigs&Berries wrote:
for which two pilots are required by the aircraft type certificate or by the subpart under which the aircraft is operated


That's why we can fly the King Air 100 without CVR... even single pilot.


If the aircraft is operated 703 (IFR), configured with 6 or more seats it can only be operated single pilot if a CVR is not installed. If the aircraft is being operated by 2 crew, either by regulation or customer requirement or due to equipment (funtioning autopilot required for single pilot operations) a CVR must be installed, unless a waiver has been obtained.




For accident investigation along with accident prevention I believe the $30,000.00 for a digital CVR (installed) is well worth the investment!



Rest in peace Andre', you will be missed.