The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Discuss topics relating to Air Canada.

Moderators: lilfssister, North Shore, sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, I WAS Birddog

ZBBYLW
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 591
Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:28 am

The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by ZBBYLW »

I thought this topic deserves it's own thread. Just got an email saying that there are now openings for the position of "pilot".

Good luck to all!
---------- ADS -----------
 
Changes in Latitudes
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2396
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:47 am
Location: The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful.

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Changes in Latitudes »

Is it a safe wager that 5000+ hours is the competitive start?
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
sepia
Rank Moderator
Rank Moderator
Posts: 297
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:51 pm
Location: creating a warmer print tone

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by sepia »

If you check the other thread, it posts the content of the bid showing the potential to hire 51, with growth in the 767RP and 320 right seat I believe.

Good luck everyone.
---------- ADS -----------
 
... on the midnight train to romford
User avatar
sepia
Rank Moderator
Rank Moderator
Posts: 297
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:51 pm
Location: creating a warmer print tone

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by sepia »

Changes in Latitudes wrote:Is it a safe wager that 5000+ hours is the competitive start?
There was people with well under 1/2 that time hired last time. Nearly every ground school had people in the 2500-3500 range.

Time on Large AC (12,566lbs+)
Time on Glass
College aviation diploma, or University
Military time

All helped you score more points. I'm can't speak for every category to score on, but those ones did exist for sure on the old grid. Keep in mind that the Grid could have changed for hiring this time.

Good luck!
---------- ADS -----------
 
... on the midnight train to romford
scopiton
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 809
Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:06 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by scopiton »

Do RP and F/O have the same requirements ?
RP recruitment might be for the 787's arrival in few years. do they still on a blocked pay during the first 2 or 3 years ?
---------- ADS -----------
 
ZBBYLW
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 591
Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:28 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by ZBBYLW »

From what I know, you are still salary for year 1 and 2, formula pay starts on year 3. You are not hired as a FO or an RP. You are hired as a pilot, during the ground school you will choose your position based on seniority (drawn out of a hat.)
---------- ADS -----------
 
Commonwealth
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 214
Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:26 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Commonwealth »

Does anyone have any idea how to delete previously uploaded files from your profile?
---------- ADS -----------
 
merlin
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 403
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:36 am
Location: Canada

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by merlin »

you can over write a file up to 5 times by up loading a file with the same name. cheers.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Johnny Mapleleaf
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 132
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:42 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Johnny Mapleleaf »

Does the application form require you to give your date of birth?

As there is no Canadian or international age limit on licensing, and no age limit on working as an R/P or F/O, could someone who is approaching 65 apply and get hired? After all, apparently Air Canada recently offered an F/O job to someone who is over 67.

Lots of us have enough medium-jet time, glass time and night school courses to produce a pretty good-looking matrix on the hiring spreadsheet.

WestJet hires ex-Air Canada pilots. Will Air Canada reciprocate?
---------- ADS -----------
 
Last edited by Johnny Mapleleaf on Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:19 pm, edited 2 times in total.
DH772
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 188
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:05 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by DH772 »

Anyone seem to think that question 8 and 24 I think, are identical (from active jazz employee standpoint?), or am i missing something?
---------- ADS -----------
 
scopiton
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 809
Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:06 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by scopiton »

Q24 specifies "as a pilot" not Q8
---------- ADS -----------
 
yycflyguy
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2788
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:18 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by yycflyguy »

Johnny Mapleleaf wrote:Does the application form require you to give your date of birth?

As there is no Canadian or international age limit on licensing, and no age limit on working as an R/P or F/O, could someone who is approaching 65 apply and get hired? After all, apparently Air Canada recently offered an F/O job to someone who is over 67.

Lots of us have enough medium-jet time, glass time and night school courses to produce a pretty good-looking matrix on the hiring spreadsheet.

WestJet hires ex-Air Canada pilots. Will Air Canada reciprocate?
The EMJ FO positions have been offered to ex-AC pilots who are currently suing both the company and their former union.

Air Canada has hired WJ, Jazz, C3000, Royal, Canjet, Swissair, Air France, Skyservice and Jetsgo pilots and if the candidate is strong enough to be hired at one company it is likely they are an ideal candidate at the other.
ZBBYLW wrote:From what I know, you are still salary for year 1 and 2, formula pay starts on year 3. You are not hired as a FO or an RP. You are hired as a pilot, during the ground school you will choose your position based on seniority (drawn out of a hat.)
Sort of. Depends what aircraft and position you are on. Flat pay for new hires is the first 24-27 months. If you are still an EMJ FO or RP pilot you move into a blended pay, or what is called the position group. There is a movement to get the Embraer on a true formula pay like the rest of the fleet but it is resisted by senior members who haven't had to live through this inequality. If the Embraer pay can be brought in line with the rest of the fleet, position group pay could be abolished so all members are on formula after flat.

I, for one, apologize for the starting pay and position group that new hires are subjected to. We are negotiating early for a CBA that expires April 1, 2011 and I know what I would like to see changed. Time will tell.

Good luck.
---------- ADS -----------
 
ACAV8R
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 69
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:29 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by ACAV8R »

yycflyguy,
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't formula pay be a paycut from position group on the Embraer?

Don't get me wrong..... I'm with you on getting rid of paygroup!
Cheers
---------- ADS -----------
 
Lost in Saigon
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 852
Joined: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:35 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Lost in Saigon »

ACAV8R wrote:yycflyguy,
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't formula pay be a paycut from position group on the Embraer?
Not if the proper formula was applied.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Lost in Saigon
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 852
Joined: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:35 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Lost in Saigon »

The Embraer E-190 is roughly the same size as a DC-9-30 or B737-200. If proper Formula Pay was applied, the pay would be about $170,000/yr for a senior Captain and about $110,000/yr for a senior F/O.

Image

Image

Image

Image
---------- ADS -----------
 
Last edited by Lost in Saigon on Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
ACAV8R
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 69
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:29 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by ACAV8R »

Agreed.

Most of the fleet is on a discounted formula other then the 330 I believe.
I was just thinking be careful what one wishes for. As of right now it would be a paycut to go from position to formula on the embraer.

Sorry guys didn't mean to hijack the thread!
---------- ADS -----------
 
Brick Head
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 882
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:37 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Brick Head »

ACAV8R wrote:As of right now it would be a paycut to go from position to formula on the embraer.
No. It would be a pay cut to go from PG to the hourly pay rate in the CA (show above)as of right now. That hourly rate is however not formula pay.

You are correct though. EMJ wage fixed first, then remove PG. Not the other way around or else it will be a pay cut.

nice work lost. :smt023
---------- ADS -----------
 
yycflyguy
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2788
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:18 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by yycflyguy »

Where did you dig up that table LIS? Awesome info.

We need to standardize or level the playing field within our own group. I hope that the negotiation committee has unity in mind and not more division... seeing that they are from YVR and an all widebody representation I don't expect anything positive to come for new hire rates or for the narrow body fleet. :(
---------- ADS -----------
 
Brick Head
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 882
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:37 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Brick Head »

yycflyguy wrote:seeing that they are from YVR and an all widebody representation I don't expect anything positive to come for new hire rates or for the narrow body fleet. :(
I don't agree. Lots of experience. I think these guys main motivation is to give something back.

Lack of formula pay is a threat to the entire fleet.

The MEC controls objectives through the negotiating committee. If you have concerns make absolutely certain yourself, and like minded individuals voice those concerns to their MEC rep.

They have all the power.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Lost in Saigon
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 852
Joined: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:35 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Lost in Saigon »

yycflyguy wrote:Where did you dig up that table LIS? Awesome info.
Those aircraft stats are from Wikipedia.
---------- ADS -----------
 
yycflyguy
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2788
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:18 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by yycflyguy »

Brick Head wrote:
yycflyguy wrote:seeing that they are from YVR and an all widebody representation I don't expect anything positive to come for new hire rates or for the narrow body fleet. :(
I don't agree. Lots of experience. I think these guys main motivation is to give something back.

Lack of formula pay is a threat to the entire fleet.

The MEC controls objectives through the negotiating committee. If you have concerns make absolutely certain yourself, and like minded individuals voice those concerns to their MEC rep.

They have all the power.
I sure hope you are right but the precedence was set when the Iceland volcano blew up and all that was gained to the pilot group was a few 767 guys got an increase on their DMM. IMO when the company comes to ACPA with hat in hand asking for a let, THAT is the time to play hardball negotiator. That was the chance to clear out some contract irritants for the entire group but AM lost the opportunity by simply granting their wish. Unfortunately, I doubt that the narrow body complaints rank high on most MEC minds and with the group on the negots committee I am not holding my breath for myself or for any changes to the abomination that is new hire pay.

My appropriate MEC rep has definitely heard my desires, concerns, pissin and moaning and I am thankful he is on the same page as myself and the "green" members.

The composition of the MEC is a whole other can o worms that I wont get into on this thread.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Brick Head
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 882
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:37 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by Brick Head »

Flyguy,

Will supply vitamins, Viagra and laxatives for Captains over 60... but you buy the damn beer.

We all know Viagra is used to keep the old guys from rolling out of bed............your gunna give em laxative and beer too?

You have a mean streak. :D


I think the whole group gets the dangers of allowing non formula to persist.

It is an absolute no from me if we don't.

We will see I guess.
---------- ADS -----------
 
UKPilot
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 88
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:40 pm
Location: HKG

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by UKPilot »

Quick question. I was taking a look through the application and I'm curious as to why when it asks what licenses you have, it specifies UK? Seems interesting that they specify that one and any other license falls under the 'other' category.

Good luck to all though! Hopefully the flood gates are opening back up in Canada.
---------- ADS -----------
 
wannabe1
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 1
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:12 am

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by wannabe1 »

Did everyone get a e-mail saying there were openings for "pilot"? I didn't get one. Thanks
---------- ADS -----------
 
dream_big
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 104
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:04 pm

Re: The hiring engine is getting fired up!

Post by dream_big »

OKKKKKKKKK.......

How come when you log into your AC account, click on your profile, everything from your application is there as you left from before, but when you click on the new "Pilot" position and click on apply, log in, it pretty much makes you fill out the entire application again? Anyone else having same issue? Please share.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Post Reply

Return to “Air Canada”