think before you transmit

[iflyforpie]

Then there are the ZBB controlers (insert YBW or Buttonville as they apply); 200 words per minute with gusts up to 250....

[sstaurus]

I hate people who say "roger" after the controller say stand-by.

Yeah I know. You're supposed to say "check"

I say wilco

Why not do what the controller just told you to do and STANDBY.[/quote]

Yea I'm pretty sure both a 'standby' and 'ident' request do not require any call back whatsoever. Usually atc says standby when they're really busy or trying hard to listen for someone else so you'll probably just step on the other call with your 'roger wilco' or whatever.

[swordfish]

I hate people who say "roger" after the controller say stand-by.

Yeah I know. You're supposed to say "check"

Actually, you are obliged to say: "Roger", unless Arctic Radio just continues on talking to the next aircraft without giving you a chance to respond. "Wilco" is for frequency changes, instructions to call at specific points or fixes, "advise traffic in sight", and other nebulous things that require your 'cooperation' but are not clearances.

When issued a "standby" by a controller, you don't need to respond at all.

[Nark]

I think the sarcasm was lost on a few of you.

[Beefitarian]

Yea I'm pretty sure both a 'standby' and 'ident' request do not require any call back whatsoever.

I kind of agree but have had ATC repeat their "ident" request in the, "Did you hear me?" tone, because I was not calling back with " 'aircraft registration' squaking ident." I think it depends on the controller. A few like to hear you respond, so they know the right plane is flashing maybe?

Tough to say, some guys might like to hear, "Aaaaahhhhh.. Aircraft type Charlie Gulf full registration, with you on frequency 12*decimal**, transponder set to **** ... We're going to go ahead and squawk ident here shortly, stand by for that."

[justwork]

I laugh every time I hear an air canada pilot call "Air Canada's 123...." Haven't heard a wj pilot call "west jets 123" yet. Or "Jazzes", that's a mouth full.

[x-wind]

Yes concise manner please, this should not be too much to ask of any pilot.

Some standard phraseology:

Roger = okay So when one says 'roger that' it sounds a little silly to someone that knows roger directly means okay.

affermative = yes Try to omit the "that" which often precedes the use of the word.

[aiRboRed]

I hate people who say "roger" after the controller say stand-by.

Yeah I know. You're supposed to say "check"

Actually, you are obliged to say: "Roger", unless Arctic Radio just continues on talking to the next aircraft without giving you a chance to respond. "Wilco" is for frequency changes, instructions to call at specific points or fixes, "advise traffic in sight", and other nebulous things that require your 'cooperation' but are not clearances.

When issued a "standby" by a controller, you don't need to respond at all.

I guess " okee dokee" is out of the question.

[swordfish]

Depends how casz you're feeling at the moment I guess. How about "ok" or "right-o"...?

[beaverbob]

If a controller requests you to standby and you say nothing you are doing what he requested.
If you answer him or reply in any way you are not.
Bob

[Therewewere]

One of my pet peeves is listening to guys say " x, x OH" for an altitude (example 35oh). They may think it sounds cool, but it is wrong. Listen to the Controllers reply. Controllers are taught proper radio terminology and will reply with x,x,zero. O is a letter. Correct would be "x,x,zero"

The other thing I find really annoying is when guys are giving a blind broadcast and saying their destination as xxx NEXT. Again someone somewhere must have heard a High flyer giving a proper IFR enroute position report where they give an estimate for the reporting point down the line, then say xxx NEXT and thought that sounded cool so they decided to try it, and unfortunately it kind of caught on.

For VFR flight the AIM states:
The following reporting format is recommended:
1. Identification 4. Altitude
2. Position 5. VFR / VFR-OTT
3. Time over 6. Destination

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

SO much discussion for something so simple. Brutal hearing GA planes reporting level FL 065. ! . Zero's and O's are different as well. Comes down to what, bad habits? Bad training?

[AOW]

One of my pet peeves is listening to guys say " x, x OH" for an altitude (example 35oh). They may think it sounds cool, but it is wrong. Listen to the Controllers reply. Controllers are taught proper radio terminology and will reply with x,x,zero. O is a letter. Correct would be "x,x,zero"

I think this has been discussed enough in previous posts, but in my books 2-1-zero is a heading and 2-1-oh is a flight level. (but I won't stoop to saying 2-0-oh, that's just wrong!) "Zero" is the correct phonetics, but then again so is "tree" and "fife"....

The other thing I find really annoying is when guys are giving a blind broadcast and saying their destination as xxx NEXT. Again someone somewhere must have heard a High flyer giving a proper IFR enroute position report where they give an estimate for the reporting point down the line, then say xxx NEXT and thought that sounded cool so they decided to try it, and unfortunately it kind of caught on.

For VFR flight the AIM states:
The following reporting format is recommended:
1. Identification 4. Altitude
2. Position 5. VFR / VFR-OTT
3. Time over 6. Destination

This really bothers you that much? Which call would you prefer to hear?

1. GABC, airborne off 27 Fort River Lake, through 2.3 for 6.5, Lake of Two Forts next.
or
2. GABC, wun nautical mile west of Fort River Lake, currently climbing through too tousand, tree hundred, for VFR at six tousand, fife hundred, enroute to Lake of Two Forts

[Climb_Power]

Then there are the ZBB controlers (insert YBW or Buttonville as they apply); 200 words per minute with gusts up to 250....

I did some training a few months ago with a guy who's been doing this for the last 50 years or so. He had more than one amusing story, calling for clearance and getting a controller like this he responded: "That's a 10 for speed, how about again for accuracy?" or another classic: "Say again after washing machine."

I laugh every time I hear an air canada pilot call "Air Canada's 123...." Haven't heard a wj pilot call "west jets 123" yet. Or "Jazzes", that's a mouth full.

Yup. Yesterday I heard "Calm Air's 123" and in a first for me radio replied "Calm Air's 123 cleared to..."

One of my pet peeves is listening to guys say " x, x OH" for an altitude (example 35oh). They may think it sounds cool, but it is wrong. Listen to the Controllers reply. Controllers are taught proper radio terminology and will reply with x,x,zero. O is a letter. Correct would be "x,x,zero"

I think this has been discussed enough in previous posts, but in my books 2-1-zero is a heading and 2-1-oh is a flight level. (but I won't stoop to saying 2-0-oh, that's just wrong!) "Zero" is the correct phonetics, but then again so is "tree" and "fife"....

The other thing I find really annoying is when guys are giving a blind broadcast and saying their destination as xxx NEXT. Again someone somewhere must have heard a High flyer giving a proper IFR enroute position report where they give an estimate for the reporting point down the line, then say xxx NEXT and thought that sounded cool so they decided to try it, and unfortunately it kind of caught on.

For VFR flight the AIM states:
The following reporting format is recommended:
1. Identification 4. Altitude
2. Position 5. VFR / VFR-OTT
3. Time over 6. Destination

This really bothers you that much? Which call would you prefer to hear?

1. GABC, airborne off 27 Fort River Lake, through 2.3 for 6.5, Lake of Two Forts next.
or
2. GABC, wun nautical mile west of Fort River Lake, currently climbing through too tousand, tree hundred, for VFR at six tousand, fife hundred, enroute to Lake of Two Forts

Agreed. A little common sense goes a long way. And as for personal conversations on 126.7: they give me something to laugh about with the guy i just spent the last 72 hours sitting beside. If there is no frequency congestion, carry on.

[iflyforpie]

For oh vs zero, as long as it is not abiguous who TF cares? Even if we were using base 16 numbers it still would not cause confusion.

[Beefitarian]

Zero rilly?

[LisaS]

Im still thinking about a sandwich with a penis rubbed on it!

[Siddley Hawker]

Yeah, that does give a whole new meaning to 'sandwich meat' don't it?

[gonnabeapilot]

One of my pet peeves is listening to guys say " x, x OH" for an altitude (example 35oh). They may think it sounds cool, but it is wrong. Listen to the Controllers reply. Controllers are taught proper radio terminology and will reply with x,x,zero. O is a letter. Correct would be "x,x,zero"

I think this has been discussed enough in previous posts, but in my books 2-1-zero is a heading and 2-1-oh is a flight level. (but I won't stoop to saying 2-0-oh, that's just wrong!) "Zero" is the correct phonetics, but then again so is "tree" and "fife"....

Personally I don't think it's a really big deal, however for those who want to be proper 'zero' is the correct term and it should be preceeded by the use of the words 'Flight Level'. (ie: C-GABC, descending to Flight Level one, niner, zero.) If FL 100, 200, or 300 are involved, it is also acceptable to use the terms Flight Level One Hundred, Two Hundred or Three Hundred.

If the clearance involves a heading that ends in zero, the read-back requires adding the word 'degrees' at the end. (ie: turn right to 180 degrees). This is the proper way to ensure that there is no confusion between a clearance issued to a flight level ending in zero and a heading ending in zero.

[AOW]

If the clearance involves a heading that ends in zero, the read-back requires adding the word 'degrees' at the end. (ie: turn right to 180 degrees). This is the proper way to ensure that there is no confusion between a clearance issued to a flight level ending in zero and a heading ending in zero.

Never heard the use of "degrees" in a heading instruction. "Flight Level" and "Heading" for sure, but I still prefer to read back as I wrote earlier so I keep it straight in my head. (ie "Left heading One-Six-Zero, climb Flight Level One-Nine-Oh, Speedbird 007")

Aircraft headings are given in groups of three digits prefixed by the word “Heading”. If operating within the Southern Domestic Airspace, degrees are expressed in “magnetic”. If operating within the Northern Domestic Airspace, degrees are expressed in “True”.

Example:

005 degrees HEADING ZERO ZERO FIVE

[gonnabeapilot]

Never heard the use of "degrees" in a heading instruction. "Flight Level" and "Heading" for sure, but I still prefer to read back as I wrote earlier so I keep it straight in my head. (ie "Left heading One-Six-Zero, climb Flight Level One-Nine-Oh, Speedbird 007")

To be honest, neither had I for the longest time. I don't know if it is an ICAO thing that isn't used in Canada or if using the word 'heading' or 'track' precludes the requirement to include 'degrees' after a heading that ends in zero. I do know that I have had one cranky controller in London and a much less cranky controller in Bourdeaux point out that I had left out the word degrees in my previous transmission and I've made sure to include it ever since! Like I said earlier, I don't think how one speaks on the radio is any reflection of ones skills as a professional pilot... but there are obviously those here that do... so food for thought!! I must say that it wasn't until I began flying in Europe, that I started to realize how slack we are in our use of slang and non-standard terms in North America. But that being said, I will still tailor my radio work to my audience and will be a lot less formal with Moncton Centre than I will with London Control and I appreciate when controllers do the same. If someone is really keen, maybe they can find an ICAO standard phrase book and let us all know how things are actually meant to be said!

[Les Habitants]

I laugh every time I hear an air canada pilot call "Air Canada's 123...." Haven't heard a wj pilot call "west jets 123" yet. Or "Jazzes", that's a mouth full.

You clearly haven't heard "Calm Aihrjz" yet have you? lol

"Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Echo (echo echo) here, with information Hwisky!"

[AOW]

To be honest, neither had I for the longest time. I don't know if it is an ICAO thing that isn't used in Canada or if using the word 'heading' or 'track' precludes the requirement to include 'degrees' after a heading that ends in zero. I do know that I have had one cranky controller in London and a much less cranky controller in Bourdeaux point out that I had left out the word degrees in my previous transmission and I've made sure to include it ever since! Like I said earlier, I don't think how one speaks on the radio is any reflection of ones skills as a professional pilot... but there are obviously those here that do... so food for thought!! I must say that it wasn't until I began flying in Europe, that I started to realize how slack we are in our use of slang and non-standard terms in North America. But that being said, I will still tailor my radio work to my audience and will be a lot less formal with Moncton Centre than I will with London Control and I appreciate when controllers do the same. If someone is really keen, maybe they can find an ICAO standard phrase book and let us all know how things are actually meant to be said!

Fair enough, my experience outside of Canada is minimal and outside of North America is non-existent! I know that TC and NavCanada have made a few changes to phraseology recently to match ICAO standards ("when ready" vs "pilot's discretion" and "line up and wait" vs "position and wait"), so there definitely are some regional differences. I think your system is probably best: tailor your radio work to your audience.

Cheers.

[skat0r]

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