A new start up airline out of YVR?

[YYCcrew]

Hey All,

I heard that WJ informed their troops that they are concerned about a new start up out of YVR with airbuses? According to WJ "these guys are what WJ was in 1996".

That was the first I heard about it, anyone on here know anything? I cant seem to find anything on a new YVR start up.

[Johnny#5]

Canada Jetlines or some-such enterprise....

[Black Cat]

WJ management seem kinda desperate as of late. Would imagine they would be jumping on any excuse to steer the herd into a shitty contract and away from any kind of organized labour effort. Jmo.

[jetav8r]

Relax people, it's not an airline until at least 3 airplanes are on the property, counters at the airports and paying passengers. Anyone can list a company with the Feds but still need at least 5 million to start. Nothing is going to happen. Canada cannot support another airline.

[ea306]

Relax people, it's not an airline until at least 3 airplanes are on the property, counters at the airports and paying passengers. Anyone can list a company with the Feds but still need at least 5 million to start. Nothing is going to happen. Canada cannot support another airline.

Agree with the first part of your post. It's not here until it's here.

As for "Canada cannot support another airline."... We all have heard that before. Both Canadian and Air Canada believed that to be so back in 1996. Granted there are different dynamics at play today in that both Air Canada and WestJet are making profits... Not so in 1996.

I remember Don Bell once saying at one of those mandatory attendance "Culture Chats" that one day someone could come along and try to "out Westjet Westjet". As companies grow they often become more expensive to operate which takes the low cost out of low cost.

Just as back then with a bit of luck...so too today: Success is not impossible. Back then many believed it was not possible.

I guess they were proven wrong.

[whiteguy]

Relax people, it's not an airline until at least 3 airplanes are on the property, counters at the airports and paying passengers. Anyone can list a company with the Feds but still need at least 5 million to start. Nothing is going to happen. Canada cannot support another airline.

Agree with the first part of your post. It's not here until it's here.

As for "Canada cannot support another airline."... We all have heard that before. Both Canadian and Air Canada believed that to be so back in 1996. Granted there are different dynamics at play today in that both Air Canada and WestJet are making profits... Not so in 1996.

I remember Don Bell once saying at one of those mandatory attendance "Culture Chats" that one day someone could come along and try to "out Westjet Westjet". As companies grow they often become more expensive to operate which takes the low cost out of low cost.

Just as back then with a bit of luck...so too today: Success is not impossible. Back then many believed it was not possible.

I guess they were proven wrong.

And where is Canadian now? I think the statement is true that Canada cannot support another airline. But I think it's more than likely, if these guys get off the ground, they won't be around long, etc, Jetsgo, Harmony, Vista, Greyhound, Zoom......

[slowstream]

As always, time will tell if they get off the starting blocks.

Either way I wish them success and best of luck

[buzzjob]

And where is Canadian now? I think the statement is true that Canada cannot support another airline. But I think it's more than likely, if these guys get off the ground, they won't be around long, etc, Jetsgo, Harmony, Vista, Greyhound, Zoom......[/quote]

Actually, Greyhound was shut down by Laidlaw when they bought the bus line. Greyhound Air actually made a profit...even with B.L. sliding extra $$ off the side. Zoom was profitable, but didn't have the deep pockets to get through the recession (a bit more to it than just that, bad timing, nervous leasing company, etc) .

[C208]

Jim Scott, from PRO IFR? Sounds like one of the folks at the helm.

[loopa]

Jim Scott, from PRO IFR? Sounds like one of the folks at the helm.

My thoughts exactly. I saw somewhere that Jim Scott, the CEO of this airline used to fly for Cathay - so it sounds a lot like him.

[Realitychex]

And where is Canadian now? I think the statement is true that Canada cannot support another airline. But I think it's more than likely, if these guys get off the ground, they won't be around long, etc, Jetsgo, Harmony, Vista, Greyhound, Zoom......

Actually, Greyhound was shut down by Laidlaw when they bought the bus line. Greyhound Air actually made a profit...even with B.L. sliding extra $$ off the side. Zoom was profitable, but didn't have the deep pockets to get through the recession (a bit more to it than just that, bad timing, nervous leasing company, etc) .[/quote]

Nonsense.

Greyhound made money in the month of August 1997 and that was about it. If it were viable, someone would have grabbed it and continued on with the program. The only person that made money from Greyhound was BL.

Same with Zoom. If it were profitable, it would still be flying. There is no reason whatsoever to shut down a viable business.

What's next? Apple shuts down the Ipad production line tomorrow because they aren't sure they'll still be profitable after the next recession?

Where do you dream this stuff up?

[aerosexual]

Same with Zoom. If it were profitable, it would still be flying. There is no reason whatsoever to shut down a viable business.

What's next? Apple shuts down the Ipad production line tomorrow because they aren't sure they'll still be profitable after the next recession?

Where do you dream this stuff up?

Come on Bean, you either know better or you are being naive. Zoom shut down after the credit card processing company E-Clear declared bankruptcy and withheld a bunch of money owed to Zoom. If anything, their margins were tight and they were unable to survive the lack of cash flow. Same thing happened with Globespan and a number of other airlines worldwide. It almost took Sunwing down too, but they survived that crisis.