Air Georgian CRJ operation

[learcapt]

Hello all. I have read all the banter about scab pilots etc. Can anyone post some real info, true pay, days off, etc. PM is fine too. Thx

[Heisenberg666]

Pay is $70/hr for capt, $37/hr FO. Per diems $1.9 /hr TAFB. 10 GDOs but the FOs have been getting 13-14 lately. Capts have less due to staffing levels. There's a proposal from the company to turn "grey days" (any day off in excess of 10) into a workday where you could be called in. At the moment there is no obligation to work on a grey day but they want to change that. There's also no pay scale. 12k bond when you join. Any other questions just PM.

[Chuck Finley]

So after reading all of that, you are still interested and would like more info. What more did you need to know? Are you one of those who think they know more than the professor?

*shakes head*

[kingtwo]

If you want to fly an RJ and not jam a rusty nail up the A$$ of the rest of the industry, might I suggest this:

https://jazz.taleo.net/careersection/2/ ... TBD-581-14

[Inverted2]

Hello all. I have read all the banter about scab pilots etc. Can anyone post some real info, true pay, days off, etc. PM is fine too. Thx

Ask yourself why they have had an ad up for RJ guys for 6 months now and still can't properly staff their operation. (5 CRJ) It's not a good place to work. Bad management that doesn't treat their employees nicely, lousy scheduling rules, perdiems that won't come close to covering your food expenses etc. I worked there for over 5 years and it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now coming from aquaintences that work there.

[aerie]

If you want to fly an RJ and not jam a rusty nail up the A$$ of the rest of the industry, might I suggest this:

https://jazz.taleo.net/careersection/2/ ... TBD-581-14

If you want to fly an RJ, this link won't help you as Jazz won't be hiring until their current pool is exhausted.

Also, I could be wrong but I believe learcapt mentioned something about already reading all the banter.

I have read all the banter about scab pilots etc.

Oh yes, that's exactly what he said. Banter on anyhow!

[Chuck Finley]

Yeah he has read it all but he seems like someone who has already made his mind. Dispite of all the negative stuff he has already read.

[Navaids]

The yellow stuff is the operation the glasses are the pilots.

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[Boreas]

How long is one bonded for?

[Chaxterium]

Does anyone have anything good to say about this airline?

[DHC7DVR]

Hello fellow 'skydwellers',

Just got a call, (somewhat out of the blue I might add), regarding an interview the FO position on the CRJ.

I must say I'm not entirely convinced that this is the direction in what I want to go, but before I decide, I just wanted to know more details regarding the bond.

Is it cash up-front, or a contract? How long is it for? And is it pro-rated?

And also the schedule. Are there many overnights? Will I even be able to afford a YYZ crash pad on that salary!? Finally, being realistic, is it commutable?


Cheers; fly safe,

DHC7DVR

[zulutime]

Hello fellow 'skydwellers',

Just got a call, (somewhat out of the blue I might add), regarding an interview the FO position on the CRJ.

I must say I'm not entirely convinced that this is the direction in what I want to go, but before I decide, I just wanted to know more details regarding the bond.

Is it cash up-front, or a contract? How long is it for? And is it pro-rated?

And also the schedule. Are there many overnights? Will I even be able to afford a YYZ crash pad on that salary!? Finally, being realistic, is it commutable?


Cheers; fly safe,

DHC7DVR

The bond for the 1900D is not a cash bond. Can't really speak for the CRJ bond but one might expect that GGN wouldn't have 2 seperate bond policies. It is pro-rated if you were to leave before the bond is over. I "think" it is one year but not 100% certain. Someone else will have to chime in about the schedule. My guess is if you are needing to have a second place, (crash pad), in YYZ on an FO salary, that is going to prove difficult. I would ask GGN for these answers. Why get it second hand. Go right to the horse's mouth.

What are you flying now? What are your long term goals? Do you hold an ATPL with lots of PIC time or is that something you are working towards? Many pilots on this forum will have their own opinion on YOUR future and the path YOU should take. There is no shortage of GGN haters on this forum. The same can be said for A/C, WJ, Encore, JAZZ, (and the list goes on). No job or company is perfect. I often wonder why some of these people chose flying as their career to begin with. Surely with the age of internet many of the pilots who are now choosing to sh*t all over these regional airlines knew the direction this industry was headed.

My advise to you, as simple as it sounds, is decide what YOU want for yourself and your family. Once a decison is made choose to have the best attitude possible and look forward and never backward.

Good luck....

[Heisenberg666]

Bond is 12k 1 year pro rated. You will have some challenges if you want to commute. In my opinion they aren't very commuter friendly.

[loopa]

Hello fellow 'skydwellers',

Just got a call, (somewhat out of the blue I might add), regarding an interview the FO position on the CRJ.

I must say I'm not entirely convinced that this is the direction in what I want to go, but before I decide, I just wanted to know more details regarding the bond.

Is it cash up-front, or a contract? How long is it for? And is it pro-rated?

And also the schedule. Are there many overnights? Will I even be able to afford a YYZ crash pad on that salary!? Finally, being realistic, is it commutable?


Cheers; fly safe,

DHC7DVR

The bond for the 1900D is not a cash bond. Can't really speak for the CRJ bond but one might expect that GGN wouldn't have 2 seperate bond policies. It is pro-rated if you were to leave before the bond is over. I "think" it is one year but not 100% certain. Someone else will have to chime in about the schedule. My guess is if you are needing to have a second place, (crash pad), in YYZ on an FO salary, that is going to prove difficult. I would ask GGN for these answers. Why get it second hand. Go right to the horse's mouth.

What are you flying now? What are your long term goals? Do you hold an ATPL with lots of PIC time or is that something you are working towards? Many pilots on this forum will have their own opinion on YOUR future and the path YOU should take. There is no shortage of GGN haters on this forum. The same can be said for A/C, WJ, Encore, JAZZ, (and the list goes on). No job or company is perfect. I often wonder why some of these people chose flying as their career to begin with. Surely with the age of internet many of the pilots who are now choosing to sh*t all over these regional airlines knew the direction this industry was headed.

My advise to you, as simple as it sounds, is decide what YOU want for yourself and your family. Once a decison is made choose to have the best attitude possible and look forward and never backward.

Good luck....

While I don't know enough about Air Georgian to make a personal opinion, there's also never smoke without any fire.

People have crucified me for working at a company that apparently has gone through some growing pains in the past, and honestly is one of the best gigs I've ever had the privilege of being at so far. Because it works for me, and it sure seems to work for my colleagues. But you'd come on here, and everyone would tell you to stay away.

A big plus one to the quoted post. If it works for you, do it. I know for me I can't justify a 31k/yr salary. But that doesn't have to be a universal feeling I suppose.

Then you have the argument of pilot's at Air Georgian being the reason the industry is driven down. I'm sure any one accusing you of this didn't start 100k/yr in their Bag Tossing, Bag Run, or Instructing gig. So technically, we are all to blame. Because the sacrifices we make to make it involve persistence, and some of it occurs during a low salary. Clearly a 2000 hour requirement for RJ Right Seat requires some dues to still be paid before you can venture into the better quality of life. For the most part at least. Now for people justifying the left seat salary... I'll tell you what I think about that over a beer.

The writing is clearly on the wall, if you desire a luxury life style, Air Georgian will be a stepping stone for you. If you love flying so much that you can live in a box on the side of east hastings street in Vancouver, well then poverty wage is something you can justify.

Good Luck

[Inverted2]

Ask yourself why a 705 operation has such a large bond. Is it because of the lousy pay and working conditions?

[Leafs]

DHC7DVR[/quote]



The writing is clearly on the wall, if you desire a luxury life style, Air Georgian will be a stepping stone for you. If you love flying so much that you can live in a box on the side of east hastings street in Vancouver, well then poverty wage is something you can justify.

Good Luck[/quote]

You won't even have a liveable lifestyle, let alone a luxurious one!

[DHC7DVR]

Hey Guys,

Many thanks for the responses. I did originally apply for the Captain slot as I have around 6000hrs TT, most of it turbine PIC, with around 1000 MPIC on a 44,000lbb aircraft. But I was offered the FO seat.

I might go along to the interview anyway, just to check it out an ask about upgrade times. But as to being an FO for the next 2 years, then unfortunately my decision has already been made as it simply isn't mathematically possible.

No disrespect to the HR team there at GGN, but frankly the management have left them in a extreamly difficult position. To fill those slots with the kind of guys they need, offering with those kind of numbers, ain't gonna be an easy job.....

Cheers!

[Inverted2]

That's why they are filling the left seats with Regional 1 guys. They can't get anyone with jet PIC with what they are offering.