Accept this job offer?
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I would present the company with a counter offer saying you will accept the bond on condition that you will leave bond free if the company fails to comply with fatigue management and any other safety related regulations. If they say pound sand, you have your answer. Get it in writing ie. via an email and BCC a trusted colleague or even their TC POI.
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I don't see fatigue management being a big issue with 200-300 hrs a year, although they have forewarned me about occasional 14 hr days. No problem there, I've done lots of those.SRV wrote:I would present the company with a counter offer saying you will accept the bond on condition that you will leave bond free if the company fails to comply with fatigue management and any other safety related regulations. If they say pound sand, you have your answer. Get it in writing ie. via an email and BCC a trusted colleague or even their TC POI.
I see what you're saying though.....I certainly feel like a negotiation of some sort might be in order. Either better pay, or more GDO's in order to return home once in a while. At this point I've only been offered 7 GDO's.
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Always accept the job at hand. At least you're building time toward your next job, if you're not happy where you go.
This is a small industry, turning down a job can get you dubbed 'picky', and you might not get a call from your next resume. It's a tough reality, but it's just that, a reality.
Cheers.
On the upside, you can say you make $120 per hour.
This is a small industry, turning down a job can get you dubbed 'picky', and you might not get a call from your next resume. It's a tough reality, but it's just that, a reality.
Cheers.
On the upside, you can say you make $120 per hour.
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I certainly hope the above statement is facetious? That is some bad advice if it's not. Accepting a job is a business agreement, that must be acceptable to both parties. If the terms of employment don't work for you it's not picky or insulting to turn the job down, it's just the smart and proper thing to do for the benefit of both sides.thepriceisright wrote:Always accept the job at hand. At least you're building time toward your next job, if you're not happy where you go.
This is a small industry, turning down a job can get you dubbed 'picky', and you might not get a call from your next resume. It's a tough reality, but it's just that, a reality.
Cheers.
On the upside, you can say you make $120 per hour.
You won't get a bad reputation for it, Id say quite the opposite that any good company would see that as a sign of a potential employee that values themselves and the company they would work for.
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Been there in those dilemma situations. Very difficult to predict an outcome. If you have an offer, take it. Like many have said around here, your real plan you have hoped for might never come. Most of hiring is done for the Spring/Summer 2016 season. The next round of hiring is not until Mid-August to December. You can wait and wait....but missing the boat can make you regret your first decision. Its all up to you.
I had a dilemma not so long ago. I was recently hired by a very well established carrier. Unfortunately, not much chances to evolve within. And with a small fear that they might get rid of that Aircraft type in a couple of years. Not too long after being hired by this company, I was offered a Captaincy position with a smaller carrier on a King Air with relatively good pay. The downside was that it is in a not-so-desirable location and the bond.
So along came the math, the strategies the stress etc etc. In the end, I looked at the positive side: chances of gaining unique experiences in challenging geographical locations, gaining priceless Multi-Turbine-PIC (Which is very very valued by Regionals and Airlines), CRM, Decision making and maybe unique and unforgettable camaraderie that could reverberate through the rest of the career. The downside: a year of sacrifice. In the end, better career developments and access to a better array choices for career path.
I had a dilemma not so long ago. I was recently hired by a very well established carrier. Unfortunately, not much chances to evolve within. And with a small fear that they might get rid of that Aircraft type in a couple of years. Not too long after being hired by this company, I was offered a Captaincy position with a smaller carrier on a King Air with relatively good pay. The downside was that it is in a not-so-desirable location and the bond.
So along came the math, the strategies the stress etc etc. In the end, I looked at the positive side: chances of gaining unique experiences in challenging geographical locations, gaining priceless Multi-Turbine-PIC (Which is very very valued by Regionals and Airlines), CRM, Decision making and maybe unique and unforgettable camaraderie that could reverberate through the rest of the career. The downside: a year of sacrifice. In the end, better career developments and access to a better array choices for career path.
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Another note, hrs aside... the bigger and/or faster the metal you are flying the greater the potential you will have in finding your ideal flying position with decent income. Don't stay on the bottom of the ladder, when the King is a great step up. I think it will set you up for the next level i.e. corp jet/dash/q400/RJ/etc thereafter. Time alone doesn't always get you where you want to be. It's also important to CPs WHAT you are transitioning from when they looking at taking you in.
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This post really irks me since I am almost positive I was one of the .-ups to said job offer (identical job details). I, on the other hand really wanted this position and would've been very excited to accept the position with the hopes of many years of employment. Unfortunately the hiring manager is not able to distinguish between honesty and dishonesty with the question " What are your intentions for your future with our company?"
My apologies if this was a different company hiring for the identical job at the same time...
My apologies if this was a different company hiring for the identical job at the same time...
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20 years in, I've turned down twice as many flying jobs in this industry than I have worked. You do it politely, you do it professionally. Yes, it is a small industry, and if on a slim chance someone ever questions why you turned down a job, simply state that it wasn't the right fit at the time. No manager, executive, or chief pilot worth their salt could ever question that. I have found a very unique niche in aviation by exploring as many opportunities as possible and knowing when to say no. You don't waste people's time, but do put some value in your own time as well.thepriceisright wrote:Always accept the job at hand. At least you're building time toward your next job, if you're not happy where you go.
This is a small industry, turning down a job can get you dubbed 'picky', and you might not get a call from your next resume. It's a tough reality, but it's just that, a reality.
Picky? You're supposed to be. Do you want to be the desperate kid at prom that shows up with whatever goober could fit into a dress? Raise the bar. You do not accept every job at hand, you accept the ones that move the ball forward and are a good fit for you.
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UPDATE: I turned it down. I feel it's not fair to an employer (or myself) to take a job I'm not happy about. Also, there may be another pilot who would LOVE this job, therefore he/she would be a better fit and deserves it more than I do. I struggled with this decision for 2 weeks until I received a better offer with another company.
Thanks to everyone for your help with this decision.
Thanks to everyone for your help with this decision.