Beware of the A380

[ahramin]

The FSB people have produced an excellent article on the subject:

http://flightservicebureau.org/this-is- ... o-get-you/

[Siddley Hawker]

One of the difficulties of operating a business jet is that the owners rarely listen to the recommendations of us crew. Hardly anybody is ever strapped in, even during takeoff or landings. The owners are type of personality that doesn't take direction. Besides, how do you handle someone who is tucked up in bed?

I remember one flight to Nairobi in a 605, the family was going on a safari and there were 4 little girls playing dolls on the floor throughout the entire approach and landing. There is only so much you can do...

Amazing that the 604 here was written off for structural damage. Holy crap.

It used to be very common to pull the breaker on the ADG as there was a time when they would deploy capriciously. The racket and vibration they make penetrates your brain even with headsets and to contemplate a crossing with the little bugger deployed is horrifying.

All the controls on the 604 are hydraulic so you would be relying on residual pressure or a windmilling engine to operate them. The ADG runs a generator that runs an AC powered hydraulic pump but even with that working its only part hydraulics (that was tough to remember. I might have to dig out my books...)

I can image the injuries would be people banging about in the back like peas in a colander.

A friend of mine flies a Challenger for Net Jets based in Blighty. She had some pics of the interior of the aircraft on her FB page this am, I'll see if I can rustle them up.

[Jet Jockey]

Here's one picture of the interior apparently from the FSB...

http://flightservicebureau.org/inside-t ... encounter/

[Siddley Hawker]

Ok JJ that's the one she had. Messy.

[rxl]

The articles say to SLOP and that makes sense, but if you SLOP to the right and there's a crosswind from your left, aren't you in danger of putting yourself right into the wake? Wouldn't it be better to SLOP left in that case? Is that allowed?

[Jet Jockey]

The articles say to SLOP and that makes sense, but if you SLOP to the right and there's a crosswind from your left, aren't you in danger of putting yourself right into the wake? Wouldn't it be better to SLOP left in that case? Is that allowed?

No... SLOP is always to the right.

I guess staying on track if there is a strong crosswind would be the best choice. You could always ask ATC for vectors too.

Of course flying above FL410 is the best chance of never being in the wake of all those big slowpokes.

[B777guy]

A lot of the time on the Atlantic you are better off to just stay on track as everyone else
Is off to the right!

[rxl]

A lot of the time on the Atlantic you are better off to just stay on track as everyone else
Is off to the right!

Yes. If everyone is off to the right it kind of defeats the whole purpose doesn't it?

[rxl]

A lot of the time on the Atlantic you are better off to just stay on track as everyone else
Is off to the right!

Yes. If everyone is off to the right it kind of defeats the whole purpose doesn't it?

When I posted this I was thinking strictly in terms of wake turbulence avoidance. To always SLOP right of track makes perfect sense for the real intent of the procedures which is, I think, (the only time I've ever gotten SLOPY is while strapped in row 42 sipping a beverage) to build in 2 or 4NM lateral separation between opposite direction flights on the same track.

I know that in my little CRJ I'm going to take the close passage of one of these monstrosities a little more seriously.