hmmmm....the Persian gulf.....the gulf of Tonkin.

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Driving Rain ------- out of common courtesy I'll reply once more and then you can post away on this subject all by yourself to your heart's content from thereon.
Well, that was wishfull thinking on your part. :roll:

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First of all, Germany and Japan were not our allies during WW2
Driving Rain
Our former enemies Germany and Japan are both contributors to the Afghan mission.
Driving Rain
receivers of post war aid
I'm sorry LH, post war means after the war was over.
Did this mean something else to you or don't you comprehend?

LH
I know what I read, seen on "The National"
Really? :D :D :D :D
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Until those countries who we and the US helped monetarily and gave lives for during WW2 pay back their loans and/or curtail their criticizing yaps, I'll personally "paint" any of them whenever they bad-mouth us and don't lend a hand when we need their help. They needed that help twice before and they got everything we and the US had to give.
Seems to me If you have your troops on the ground risking their lives ... That's putting your money were your mouth is... You don't agree that's your right

LH
The Vimy Memorial Ceremonies in the next few days prooves that in "spades".
WW1 now :roll:
You might find this interesting.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007 ... 9-sun.html

LH
Russian State Oil would be a very bad way itself. So everyone will just have to "cut me some slack" if I don't take these folks who govern Iranand their "posturing" too seriously. They know all too well who gets that oil for them and puts the money for it into their hands. At the same time they have their sons/daughters going to Oxford, etc., wear their traditional dress "in-country" for Iranian consumption, but wear Seville Row tailor-made $3000 suits everywhere else and drive their Bentleys and Mercedes Benz. One of their ruling Mullahs was going through some form of "male manopause" and got his nose outta joint that's all.........something like "the flavour of the day". They've known about the dissention over the off-shore border for the last half century and nobody can agree on where it actually is......it's really very old news in that part of the world.
Your right about one thing LH, It's all about OIL
Driving Rain ----- if you're intention was to "bait me"
If your a fisherman you'd know that no fish would get hooked if they just keep their yaps shut. :roll:
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I see that only one country in the middle east gained from now being able to go and slaughter arabs (since they hate them). Guess what that country is.


U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
2001-05-01, ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's...Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba. Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists." The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after.
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http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/03/01/70979
March 1, 2007

WWID-A: What won't Iran do? Attack!
Finally, former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski gets his chance to be big.

By Adri Mehra


s Iran continues to thumb its nuclear nose at the United States, an old hawk has swooped down and opened up his crystal ball for those of us brave enough to look.
Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski -perhaps the world's leading expert on post-Cold War American geostrategy - is warning us about an attack not from Iran, but from within our own government.

In testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Feb. 1, Dr. Brzezinski described "a plausible scenario for a military collision with Iran" as involving "a terrorist attack in the U.S. blamed on Iran, culminating in a 'defensive' U.S. military action against Iran."

(According to Global Research, the quotation marks around "defensive" are found in the original copy of the speech and are presumed to be from Dr. Brzezinski himself.)

The remarkable thing about the speech, notes Michael Collins from the Center for Research on Globalization, is that Iran is "blamed" for the terrorist attack.
As Collins posits, "the quotation marks around 'defensive' indicate something other than that. This defines the meaning of 'blamed' as somewhat akin to saying Iran would be the patsy, fall guy or stooge for whoever actually committed the act."
At a press conference afterwards, Washington journalist Barry Grey was quick to grill Dr. Brzezinski about the specific details of this hypothetical war-trigger attack.

"Are you suggesting there is a possibility it could originate within the U.S. government itself?" Grey asked.

"I'm saying the whole situation can get out of hand and all sorts of calculations can produce a circumstance that would be very difficult to trace," responded Dr. Brzezinski.

Wow.

"That a man such as Brzezinski, with decades of experience in the top echelons of the U.S. foreign policy establishment, a man who has the closest links to the military and to intelligence agencies, should issue such a warning at an open hearing of the U.S. Senate has immense and grave significance," Grey concluded in his report on the speech.

Brzezinki's prognostication would not be so chilling if the United States didn't have such a long criminal record regarding what are known as false flag terror operations.
False flags are top-secret military operations that are designed to look like they were conducted by other governments - in short, pretending to be the enemy in order to start a war.

The name is derived from the practice of flying "false colors" in naval warfare, in which a ship raises the flag of a country other than its own in order to deceive and confuse other ships, and provide a means for attack and, ultimately, a pretext for war.

In 1898, the U.S.S. Maine was sent by its superiors uninvited to Havana Harbor near Cuba and mysteriously sank, likely due to spontaneous combustion caused by a coal bunker (then a frequent problem on ships built after the Civil War), according to a report published by Navy Admiral Hyman G. Rickover in 1976.

However, at the time, President McKinley immediately blamed the Spanish in Cuba for planting a mine that destroyed the ship, despite no testimony, documentation or specific accusation of Spanish authorities.

What's more, there were no recorded eyewitnesses that reported having seen jets of water thrown up during the massive explosion, nor were any dead fish found to be floating in the harbor - both necessary characteristics of such a catastrophic underwater event.

Nazi Chancellor Adolf Hitler was a master of false flag attacks and black propaganda, organizing several attacks that he blamed on the Polish in order to justify an invasion.

In 1933, a Berlin fire station received an alarm that the Reichstag - the building that houses the German parliament - had exploded into flames.

When the police arrived, they found a half-naked Dutch Communist wandering around, whom they quickly arrested and charged with setting the complex inferno.

According to Louis Snyder in his "Encyclopedia of the Third Reich," Hitler called the Reichstag fire "a sign from heaven" and used it to kick-start his Nazi revolution against the Communists in Germany and the rest of Europe and beyond.

At a lunch on Hitler's birthday in 1942, Nazi commander Hermann Göring shouted, "The only one who really knows about the Reichstag building is I, for I set fire to it" and slapped his thigh, according to General Franz Halder at the Nuremberg trials.

Although perhaps not as gleeful as Mr. Göring, we have seen our own leaders in recent years admit to manufacturing false claims regarding Iraq's nonexistent nuclear capabilities in order to invade, overthrow and occupy the country.
In the press conference following his speech on Feb. 1, Dr. Brzezinski referred to the now-infamous 2003 White House memo, in which President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair openly discussed a plan to fly a U2 spy plane painted with U.N. colors over Iraq in hopes that former Iraq President Saddam Hussein would shoot it down and justify long-gestating Western designs to invade Iraq again.

Dr. Brzezinski had warned earlier in his speech that "a mythical historical narrative to justify the case for such a protracted and potential expanding war is already being articulated."

For the first time in a long while, a neoconservative intellectual has probably got it right, but for all of our sake, let's hope he's wrong.


Adri Mehra welcomes comments at amehra@mndaily.com.
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Zbig's book "The Grand Chessboard" is a really interesting read.

http://www.perseusbooksgroup.com/perseu ... 0465027261
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