AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BONDS!!!

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Re: AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BONDS!!!

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you perceive you know it all. 
Well...I don't know what you mean by that but I do know exactly what happened...and there was no court ruling.

I never ever said they weren't contracts...of course they're contracts.

What I said was that they're not employment contracts if there are no conditions of employment in them. You don't get fired if you break the training bond do you? :?:

...no "cases" to refer to DH?

Any examples from anyone who has had to pay back money for training? It would be great to here the story....
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Re: AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BONDS!!!

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http://jurisprudence.canada.globe24h.co ... cs-4.shtml

Sorry it is in French, but examples of pilots trying do exist, in 2009 a pilot lost against Pascan, he left the company after one month and a half and had to pay 6300$, the company also wanted the pilot not to be allowed to fly for any competitor for one year, it was part of the contract.

The pilot did say to the court:
He was not getting rested properly, in adequate places, he felt safety was not good, but he did not have anyone in the company to back him on what he was saying.

He was earning 16500$/year for a 12000$ (2 years) training bound and the pilot could not demonstrate the contract was abusive.
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Re: AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BONDS!!!

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This is, in fact, one of the few contracts which are valid.

This guy was a piece of work.
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Re: AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BONDS!!!

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NeverBlue wrote:
you perceive you know it all. 
Well...I don't know what you mean by that but I do know exactly what happened...and there was no court ruling.

I never ever said they weren't contracts...of course they're contracts.

What I said was that they're not employment contracts if there are no conditions of employment in them. You don't get fired if you break the training bond do you? :?:

...no "cases" to refer to DH?

Any examples from anyone who has had to pay back money for training? It would be great to here the story....
Do some digging and educate yourself. Im not referring to specific cases because Im trying to avoid spoonfeeding you. But since you insist on being spoonfed.
This is precisely what happened in the 2011 case, Northern Thunderbird Air v. Van Haron. The pilot signed a training bond agreement but after having completed the training. The B.C. Court of Appeal upheld the trial judge’s decision that there was no consideration for the training bond agreement, since the employer did not provide any further benefit to the pilot after the agreement was signed. Therefore, the training bond was unenforceable
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There is this thing called google.

It's obvious that these are contracts, and that contract law applies. That is why a well written bond is enforceable, and a poorly executed bond is not. It's all based on contract law.

Only the perception that these are non-negotiable bonds make them so.

If you are happy with that, fill your boots, but don't do the up and comers bad by perpetuating the b.s.

Now, if you would, please lay out a logical case with at least one link disproving my position that training bonds are not simply contracts, and as such are open to negotiation for consideration on a two-way basis.
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Re: AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BONDS!!!

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Illya Kuryakin wrote:
DonutHole wrote:
Look. I don't care if you agree with me or not, I know I won't change your mind because you perceive you know it all. That's okay, it's okay for you to be wrong and not know it. It doesn't bother me.

Yup. Everybody's wrong but you.
Your mom used to say..."Look, my little DonutHole is the only one in the whole platoon in step...."
Yup. Nobody else has a clue. And, it really doesn't bother you.
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:) So tactful of you to bring my mother into the conversation. Obviously, I'm dealing with a real pro, so I'd better watch myself.

Im sorry that you're offended that you and your merry band of gentleman have missed the boat so badly. I understand the need to come together and reinforce each other with some grand display of solidarity, after all, maslow would rank belonging to a group as perhaps one of the most important attributes of survival, and being that this idea goes against the beliefs of the group, and advantages the bigger group overall, it is a threat to your dominance as the alpha individuals.

Fortunately, this dynamic disappears on the internet and we are basically stripped down to the best argument we can make...

and yours is that my mom called me special.

Clearly, I am outgunned.
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Re: AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BONDS!!!

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Just what am I doing here?

I wish I was special, so very special...

But I'm a creeeeep. :rock:
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Re: AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BONDS!!!

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Llast word goes to Sept. I think that we are now flogging a dead Llama - and descending into personal attacks..
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