North Pole temperature above freezing - December 30, 2015

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Re: North Pole temperature above freezing - December 30, 201

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One need only to look at the big bang theory to realize how easy it is to blindly trust the " learned professionals " and how a bastard theory has become accepted science in the minds of those who cannot see beyond their nose (oops, did I let the worms out of the box? )
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I'm very happy with any number of more or less wrong theories about the Big Bang, cholesterol, peptic ulcers, white bread and chemtrails and pleased to remain secure in the knowledge that mankind will eventually find and fix the mistakes - because I'm not being forced to spend a fucking gazillion dollars based on the results of these theories.

Really, once Ban Ki Moon gets involved, it's all over for anyone interested in truth.
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Re: North Pole temperature above freezing - December 30, 201

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The world is already seeing the cost of global warming in monetary and human terms. None of you can see it and won't in the future. None of you have the foresight to see the economic benefits of reconfiguring to sustainable clean energy either. 130 years ago you would reject internal combustion engines as unproven science and a waste of money, and we would be riding horses to this day if decision makers were stupid enough to listen to you.
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Rockie wrote:130 years ago you would reject internal combustion engines as unproven science and a waste of money, and we would be riding horses to this day if decision makers were stupid enough to listen to you.
The only one that this makes sense to is you. Do you even think about this stuff before you type it? :roll:
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Rockie wrote:130 years ago you would reject internal combustion engines as unproven science and a waste of money, and we would be riding horses to this day if decision makers were stupid enough to listen to you.
But if that scenario played out, then those "stupid" decision makers' rejection of the internal combustion engine would have ironically saved the planet from global warming. :shock:
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Re: North Pole temperature above freezing - December 30, 201

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Is Rockie now claiming that wave power is the new internal combustion engine? Heaven help us.
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Rockie wrote:The world is already seeing the cost of global warming in monetary and human terms. None of you can see it and won't in the future. None of you have the foresight to see the economic benefits of reconfiguring to sustainable clean energy either. 130 years ago you would reject internal combustion engines as unproven science and a waste of money, and we would be riding horses to this day if decision makers were stupid enough to listen to you.
Do you really believe that questioning the man-made global warming theory has anything to do with willingness to accept the internal combustion engine? If we go the way of the supporters of your man-made global warming theory, we may very well be back to riding horses because you and your supporters want to get rid of the internal combustion engine.

This just proves the ridiculous arguments we have for the man-made cause.

Just answer the question please...explain all those past global warming periods.
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Rockie wrote: None of you have the foresight to see the economic benefits of reconfiguring to sustainable clean energy either.
The province of Ontario show the economic benefits very clearly. Of course people like me said so years ago but look what happened.
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Global warming or not, in 2016 we are still using 15-30% from the fuel energy to move our cars foward. How wonderful for the oil industry.

If you still don't get it that we are screwing up the planet, can't convince you.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-devel ... -companies

It is not only the fuel, generaly there are no analyses made on our previous mistakes and how to make better in the future. We are so satisified with ourselves. I saw some impressive documentaries and I am pretty sure Chinese are much more advanced than us on the whole renewable energy question.
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timel wrote:Global warming or not, in 2016 we are still using 15-30% from the fuel energy to move our cars foward. How wonderful for the oil industry.

If you still don't get it that we are screwing up the planet, can't convince you.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-
To be clear The fact that I do not believe that CO2 does not mean I am for dumping oil in oceans and rivers. Which is what that article is about. There are casualties in any activity that man undertakes. Companies that spill should be made to clean it up and look for ways not to do it in the future. The CO2 thing is a different debate.

Maybe they should set up a KFC next to the plant.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... tests.html
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Re: North Pole temperature above freezing - December 30, 201

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You guys aren't sceptics. You're deniers because there is nothing that will convince you. Scientists themselves are the real sceptics as many of you ironically point out and to them you don't even rank as high as amateurs. They know infinitely more than you do even in how to challenge their own findings. You don't even know what to challenge their findings with beyond what the fossil industry feeds you. How could you? You don't do any research yourself and are not capable of it.

You're just that guy in the back of the airplane telling everyone around him that the pilot doesn't know what he's doing. You know...that guy.
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ACTUALLY I'm the guy in the back of the airplane telling everyone around me that on the evidence[/N] (smooth takeoff, on-time flight) the pilots up front do know what they're doing and we should all look forward to a hazard-free landing. Based on the evidence of course, and noting that my prediction is now out there and going to be tested in an hour's time.

The value of a theory is it makes testable predictions. For instance: please note a professor Einstein's humble comments quoted here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_ ... ical_tests

I don't see any such when it comes to climatology. Which implies the whole edifice is built on snake oil.

I am also telling everyone around me that thanks to you, the tickets are too damn expensive.
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Re: North Pole temperature above freezing - December 30, 201

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Rockie wrote:You guys aren't sceptics. You're deniers because there is nothing that will convince you.....
Well, I for one am not a "climate change denier". I believe the climate is changing, because that's what climate does. But until we can explain why the planet has gone through those several (many?) warming/cooling cycles, how can we say, categorically, that this particular cycle is anthropogenic? And even if it is anthropogenic, we have no idea of the NET effects of climate change. If the climate had not changed 10,000 years ago we'd be having this debate under a mile of ice.

I have the advantage (if you want to call it that!) of having lived continuously in one community in arctic Canada for 45-years. Remember, this is the part of the world (we were told by the "scientists") that would be most affected by climate change. And yes there have been some changes, but those changes have been barely noticeable except on a statistical level, and have had absolutely no effect on the way people here conduct their day-to-day lives.

Of course, reading the mainstream media, one might be convinced that the polar bears are on the verge of extinction (not true), that there is a wholesale melting of the permafrost taking place (not true), or that un-predictable ice conditions are raising havoc with the Inuit, who are falling through said un-predictable ice with the greatest of frequency (all of which is un-true). The most notable change here has been that certain birds and animals appear to have extended their ranges a few miles farther north, and that the tree-line (we're told) has moved north a few feet. The volume of heating fuel that I've consumed for my house (and I've kept an accurate accounting of this since 1985) has not changed significantly.
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I hope that those on both sides of this debate would agree on one thing - we all need to assume some sense of stewardship for our little spaceship - especially since there are now 7+ billion of us (and billions more to come) all reliant on her life support systems.
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Rockie wrote:You guys aren't sceptics. You're deniers because there is nothing that will convince you.
Where you just as scared when all the Y2K fear mongering was shoved down our throats?
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Where you just as scared when all the Y2K fear mongering was shoved down our throats?
Actually I was a little bit concerned about Y2K. I wrote a lot of software in the 80's that used 2 digit years that would have failed with rather spectacular results if it were not corrected.

My favourite example was a prison administration system in B.C. I wrote software that decided who was released on any given day for all the prisons in B.C. The math to do that was pretty simple. If incarceration date + sentence > todays date then they should be released ;)

Guess what the software would have done on Jan 1st 2000 ;)

There were lots of other examples but most of them got sorted out slowly over the few years before.
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That's why they invented y2ky jelly....to insert four digits where eyes only room for two.
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We are all exactly the same here in that none of us know a damn thing about climate science. Where we differ is some of us recognize that but still prefer public policy to be based on science even if we ourselves don't understand it. Others want public policy to ignore science because we don't understand it, and instead do nothing out of ignorance.

As much as you think you're presenting a rational counter-argument to climate science you aren't, and you couldn't possibly do so - ever. You (we) know nothing about it. You'd think a bunch of performance oriented pilots would have a better grasp of their own limitations.
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Some of us know more than others.
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pelmet wrote:Just answer the question please...explain all those past global warming periods.
NunavutPA-12 wrote:But until we can explain why the planet has gone through those several (many?) warming/cooling cycles, how can we say, categorically, that this particular cycle is anthropogenic?
Last I checked, Rockie is not a climate scientist... and neither are too many people on this board (pilot life is, as far as I can see, incompatible with moonlighting as a climate scientist). That said, here's a few links that explain some of the concepts behind the science in relatively plain English. You can choose to ignore that all of those articles have multiple references to scientific publications if you'd like, but I'd (personally) recommend actually taking those to heart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Evidence_CO2.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2000 ... arison.png

As for all the past warming periods, since all the evidence has generally been pretty hard to get to, a lot of it is gathered by inference... but, there's a significant amount of information as to what previous events have caused global warming or cooling, such as

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_ ... ure_record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceou ... tion_event

Finally, as someone whose (pre-pilot) education was in the sciences... if you for a second think that the evidence is shaky for the human-induced warming, and that there aren't scientists around the world trying to poke holes in it as we argue about it, you're very confused about how science works.

PS: Unrelated, but, since it's in play now... Y2K didn't materialize because a lot of companies paid a whole lot of people to fix their software - sometimes as late as December 31st - because nothing scares people into action like the prospect of losing money! (And, because it's "behind the scenes" work that no one sees - much like dispatch at an airline - to the general public it looks like it was all hype for nothing)
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Re: North Pole temperature above freezing - December 30, 201

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Has anybody noticed that Rockie refuses to provide an explanation for repeated global warming events(intermixed with cooling events of course).

Why is that?

We all know why.
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Well it really isn't at all hard to figure out why. I've only said about 100 times I'm not a scientist and know nothing about climate science. But I'm sure you know how to spell Google as well as the rest of us so look it up yourself. Or be even lazier and just click on the links helpfully provided just above your post. I mean come on...a little effort goes a long way.
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A side track I know and I apologize, but the same f**king loonies that reject climate science in the US are the same ones saying background checks to buy a firearm are evil. WTF is happening here? And when did the Baboons take over the zoo?
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A side track I know and I apologize, but the same f**king loonies that reject climate science in the US are the same ones saying background checks to buy a firearm are evil. WTF is happening here? And when did the Baboons take over the zoo?
Rockie, its folks like you who need to have a little wisdom instead you are easily brainwashed by the liberal left. If a person passes a background check and then gets a gun and does evil ,,of what use was the check?? ( its been done recently) If a person fails a background check, do they 1) give up on doing evil and become a model citizen or 2) buy a gun from someone who isnt going to give them a background check. ? Do we register explosives and the ingredients to make one? Do we ask ALL would be terrorists and evil people to turn in their illegal guns to be registered? Do you know that butter knives are a deadly weapon ,, gonna need a background check to operate one safely to butter my bread !!

As you made a remark to many folks who cannot answer in defence,

I say this to YOU Rockie, you are a
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On a bumper sticker " If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns" :D
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I thought this thread was about climate change? Is the pollution from gunpowder a significant contributor to it?

On a related note, I hope that everyone who is arguing that we must do everything we can to reduce our carbon outputs has not had, nor is planning to have kids. Not having children is the best thing you can do to reduce future outputs, and anyone who chose to be a parent is a big part of the problem. A bit hypocritical to try to control other's activities when you can't resist the urge to pass on your genes and contribute to the world's problems. :)
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