Slight variation on the PPC: to buy or not to buy question...

What about employers posting a sort of "Don't bother applying if you have bought/would buy your PPC. Also, burn bridges at your own risk" kind of line to their job ads?

While it is true that someone somewhere (employers) would have to pay for those PPCs, might this help put a stop to the practice? I can easily imagine the case of an employer needing a pilot yesterday and not really having the possibility of sending someone over to FlightSafety and the like.

Barring PPC buying pilots from some jobs might make those considering this think more thoroughly about the consequences of their actions in this matter.

The burning bridges reminder might be stating the obvious for some, but it's meant to make someone considering a fairly lateral move in the industry to stop and think twice. This is to help in the fight against training bonds (which I could imagine myself living with, yet not too fond of) and worse arrangements where your money is at risk, (à la Jetsgo) that limit our freedom of movement in the industry and require a significant investment from people who could put the money to much better use.

Louis

Hello,
when i went to get my c208 from fsi kict, was about $7000. but if bought in bulk. was about $3000 each for 3 ppc's. well worth it.

I think the sim time is especially worth it. Of course there is stuff that you can do in there, that is not recommended in the aircraft. Especially on line. Along with the SIT trainer, and procedures.

my $.02.
Enjoy, and safe flying to everyone out there!!

bye now.

Good post stubby, you are exactly right, it sure as hell doesn't cost 14000 us.

(c) pilot training in accordance with subsection 723.98(24).

(24) Single-engine Aeroplanes Carrying Passengers VFR at Night or Under IFR

The following training is required:

(a) initial training in an approved synthetic training device, including all emergency procedures that cannot be safely practised in the aeroplane;

The only reason for the FSI or PanAm training is strictly for the need for an IFR (Passenger) driver. 2000 hours on type is great for the summer but for the winter time when you are limited to daylight and if you want to fly at night you need an IFR rating....but then at night in routes in uncontrolled you need basically sector and 3 miles and I can remember so many nights I had to go IFR just because of a lower ceiling but all around good weather.All the operator wants is someone who can utilize the AC 100%. I guess at a cool mill and a half each you wanna keep these things flying.

I am finding now looking for work that no matter what you finally achieve hours wise or type rating wise they always seem to want something else. Now that I have the sim training they want 1500 PIC at this job I would like. As in the words of Joe Dirt just gotta keep on keepin on.

Special K wrote:We have never had a pilot that paid for their PPC.

hmmm....You just stole 208's pilots from companies who gave PPC's or flight safety training to their guys/gals.
Which in my humble point of view is not better then letting pilots paying for those.

Now, no more clue...I let you try to figure out why.

spelling and grammar mistakes are not alcohool induced

Just to put another spin on this guys. There is nothing in the regs about the recency of the sim training. So they are not necessarily trying to steal guys away from another company. I'm sure there are lots of people out there who may have at one time or another done the sim training and may now be looking for work.

If you don't have the training already then I guess you would have a decision to make whether it's good for you. And like he said, at least they don't make you pay for the training towards the PPC.

On a side note, I work for a comapany that operates caravans (smaller company than wildcountry by the way). They do training bonds with new hires, $10000.00 prorated over two years. Every month I get the loan payment added to my paycheque...don't even have to think to ask. Never been treated anything but fairly...regular raises...great staff parties...exciting YPL (okay disregard the last one)!

Maybe something for Wildcountry to think about...unless they needed somebody yesterday.

Yeah the training bond is great until the company tanks and takes it with them....sorry a bit jaded in that aspect.

Well I guess you really never know what will happen in aviation...but I did do my homework first, and have not been disappointed.

What is wrong with asking for someone who already has a type rating? I got my (recent) types paid for by a great company and I worked for them for years cause we all got along. Now I get a great job offer from someone else who I want to work for and I can tell him I'm already typed: great bonus for him, he only has to pay for my recurrent, he gets me working right away, I have experience and he saves $20 grand. Guy off the street: $30 grand training, 100 hours with a captain, (I know, not in a Caravan) and no experience, higher mins. higher insurance etc. What's wrong with that? Eventually, all you yahoos who perservere will also get typed on something, if you stop whining and wait your turn. You have to be special before you get to fly the multi-million buck airplane, and you have to pay your dues before you are special.

I never flew anything younger than me for about 20 years, so get over it. You will not all be corporate pilots or fly for the 'majors' so decide where you want to be when it all gets boring and get started.

This pay-for-PPC is a red herring. SK was not suggesting it, nor would he be satisfied with it either.

I think we are starting to mistake "PPC required" with "go buy a PPC first".

This is not nav air, and they will not hire a 200 hr wonder that went and spent 10000 on a PPC. From what I can see, they are just looking for people with experience on type, and therefore PPC'd.

Yeah the training bond is great until the company tanks and takes it with them....

This is the kicker though. If you come in there without a PPC, you can get a bond for $10,000, but it does not come out of the company's pocket, the payments are deducted from your paycheque. So if the company goes under, you're out the same amount of money. Figure that out...