Best Ramp

Ryan Coke · Post by **Ryan Coke** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:58 am

Where did some people start getting this attitude that if the job they applied to get doesn't pay what they think is enough, then they have every right to do a lousy job? If you want more money, apply for a higher paying job, and maybe get some skills so that you are qualified for higher paying jobs. I suspect what you'll find though, are that the kind of people who justify why they do lousy work will always be that way, since everyone can justify why they deserve more money. They are also the same people who are probably the least likely to get the better paying jobs, when compared to the types that actually take pride in doing a good job, work hard at getting better paying jobs, work to acquire more skills, and get better references for those better jobs. I find this attitude of entitlement sickening. I worked on the ramp over 10 years ago for $8/hr, and surprise, surprise, actually tried to do a good job anyway.

How would you feel if your pilots flying you and your family felt underpaid (lots of those around) so they only did a half assed job? How about your doctor, maybe because he is upset he can't extra bill? The person with that kind of attitude will probably be doing half assed jobs for low wages their whole life, always wondering why they can't get ahead.

One last comment about the 'you get what you pay for' remark. At AC we got equally poor ramp service in YYZ but for far more money. But I suppose they feel they don't get paid enough either, so its OK then right?

Dispatch · Post by **Dispatch** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:08 am

Complex hit this topic on the head, if WJ doesnt want to pay good money for good service, and go for the lowest bidder all the time, then they will always get the lowest service. You guys think that if you buy a Kcar it's going to run like a jag, not quite, so pull your heads from out your asses and quit complaining of the shoddy service you recieve in YYZ or else where, were the ground handlers are almost paying to go to work.
Quit complaining of the service and start complaining to the mgt team who keeps going to the lowest bidders
Cheers

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:30 pm

I work for an FBO at YEG during my downtime from flying. We were waiting for a DND A310 the other night and parked a WJ flight whcih was waiting at an international gate next to us for a good 20 minutes. Thought we'd park it so at least the pax could get off....another 20 went by before ATS showed up for the baggage. Of course they came over and gave us shit for "parking" their plane...

Dispatch · Post by **Dispatch** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:32 pm

I though it would be illegal and unsafe to park someones elses airplane not knowing WJ SOP's, parking airplanes does not require much skill, but unsafe not know there operation, if I myself were working the ramp, I probably would have given you shit to, you have no idea why it was hangning off the gate, crew to park the airplane busy with another and that would maybe prompt mgt to get more hands on deck. Not cool in my books
Cheers

CGZMT · Post by **CGZMT** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:07 pm

Had that happen a couple of times here with AC. Usually the pilots are smart enough to figure out where to put it but they guys are slow getting to bridge it. I will say the ramp in QT is decent. With the addition of the baggage barn in the middle of apron one, all the airlines are working together these days. Every body sorts everybodies bags and everybody wattches out for each other. Multiple times i have taken AC bag out to the RJ and coversly with AC bringing them to WJ. Fun time in QT. Have to the CV 580 crew. They just park it where they want then leave it for us to unload.

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:24 pm

Dispatch wrote:I though it would be illegal and unsafe to park someones elses airplane not knowing WJ SOP's, parking airplanes does not require much skill, but unsafe not know there operation, if I myself were working the ramp, I probably would have given you shit to, you have no idea why it was hangning off the gate, crew to park the airplane busy with another and that would maybe prompt mgt to get more hands on deck. Not cool in my books
Cheers

we'll put you in the cockpit....fly a 4 hour flight..shoot a full ifr approach down to mins, and see how happy you are sitting around waiting for the dipshits on teh ramp to show up. I can guarentee they were at Jim Norton's sucking back their paycheck.

Pilot's and bridge agent both thanked us. We had big bright vest's on clearing indicating the company we worked for. Pulled up in a van also indicating we weren't from ATS. If the pilot's had a reason for not being parked I'm pretty sure they would have waived us off.

We just parked an A310. We don't work for a clown outfit like ATS. Straight in.....pretty tough shit eh?

you're not cool in my books. You should be working for A/C on the ramp with that mentality. "Oh look a dash 8 waiting for a half hour...well I'm working a dash coming in 40 minutes....f*&k that one." good on ya buddy. People like you are the reason this indusrty is in the gutter half the time.

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:26 pm

Dispatch wrote:crew to park the airplane busy with another and that would maybe prompt mgt to get more hands on deck.

you think the supervisor who's making 30c more an hour then the rest of the guys and the only reason he a sup is because he just got his red pass, is going to go out of his way to get more guys on the flight? Clearly you've never worked for any company of that type.

Gear Up · Post by **Gear Up** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:08 pm

In the ramp handler's defense maybe....just maybe the airline didn't give the handler the correct arrival time of the aircraft? Maybe the aircraft was off schedule and the ramp guys were busy with other flights?

As someone mentioned in an earlier post, AC pays rampies much more money and I still see aircraft waiting to be parked.

Gear Up!

all_ramped_up · Post by **all_ramped_up** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:54 pm

^ You seen some of the load plans that we get from WJ?

Gate Deliveries in Pit 4?! wtf?! So not supposed to be there.

There's also the problem of having all of these connection bags that have to be sorted as they're offloaded etc.

As a Crew Chief I push my Guys to get the 30 minute turn. But then again, I love what I do and never worked for SAGG.

CGZMT · Post by **CGZMT** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:17 am

Gate Deliveries in PIt four how about Avi's in pit four.

all_ramped_up · Post by **all_ramped_up** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:11 pm

CGZMT wrote:Gate Deliveries in PIt four how about Avi's in pit four.

Never seen that... what we were told is that they don't recirculate Cabin Air in the Rear Compartment hence why they're always in the first three?

CGZMT · Post by **CGZMT** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:50 pm

You are correct. The aft pits don't have a supply of fresh air or heat either. Thats why in the summer when ever you load you always choose the back because its always nice and cold in there. And that Avi was four boes of fish for a pet store in town. Never heard how they turned out. Best day ever was when a cargo shipment didn't come in. The next day it came in and the guy came to get them, he opened them up to check them out. They were boxes of lobster. unfortunately some of them did not make it. I think about 60% lived and the rest died. He said have the rest and cook them a couple minutes longer. So needless to say, good eats that night.