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aviationknowitall wrote:oh yeah i just wanted to let you sault college boys know that you are actually flying a czechoslovakian cinder block with wings. so if you could come in on saturday that would be great. thanks

So you're a racist too?

Oh and I found out who you are I love black listing idiots in this industry... It's trolls like the gods gift to aviation that makes aviation the industry it is today.

Hahahaha, didn't Confed, not the soo, just have a guy try to commit suicide in one of their planes. Flying into the states, getting intercepted, running out of gas....

SuperchargedBS, is that you?

aviationknowitall wrote: i can honestly say i never went to sault college

then how can you have such a negative opinion if all you have heard is rumors and not experienced the program personally. Thats like saying you hate pizza because your friend does but you have never tried it lol

aviationknowitall wrote:I guarentee that most of those kids will say they hate the program and wish they could leave.Some of the students there have even contemplated suicide because of the depressing environment.

Do the instructors now chain the students up to keep them there?

Last I heard you could drop out anytime you want...

I'm sure most of the 'kids' would rather just live in mommy & daddys basement, playing video games and having their cooking & cleaning done for them.

I'm sure it is depressing for them when mom & dad insist they go to school and work towards becoming adults who may hold down a job some day.

Oh the horror!

Again, as knowitall doesn't have any 'first hand knowledge' of the school; I'd bet money that means they were someone whose application was declined.

If i were to attend an aviation college in the future I would choose Seneca. You would graduate with both a degree and get some modern flight training in modern aircraft and they actually include a jet transition course. Why would anyone want to attend Sault is beyond me.....Seneca college baby! They have girls!

aviationknowitall wrote:If i were to attend an aviation college in the future I would choose Seneca. You would graduate with both a degree and get some modern flight training in modern aircraft and they actually include a jet transition course. Why would anyone want to attend Sault is beyond me.....Seneca college baby! They have girls!

aviationknowitall wrote:

shitdisturber wrote:I personally think aviationknowitall would benefit from a college program; maybe he'd learn how to spell.

I actually have a degree in writers craft from york university

I thought you already had a degree?



Also didn't realize the c172 was so modern. And last time I checked, the Bonanza's were falling out of the sky up by Owen Sound.

pilotman15 wrote: Also didn't realize the c172 was so modern. And last time I checked, the Bonanza's were falling out of the sky up by Owen Sound.

The 172s have GPSs as well! Seneca also has a sport version of the 172 where the PIC wears NIKE shoes.

Bonanzas glide to Owen Sound .

Oh but Pilotman15, didn't you know they get "time" on a CRJ200 sim? They're practically airline pilots when they graduate! In a few short years I'll be sitting there in the back waiting for pushback at YYZ and Captain Knowitall will be on the pax intercomm: "...eeeeeeahhhh...unnnnggghhhhh...duhhhhhh... I got lots of pussy at Seneca!", and I'll think, "Wow, this guy is the coolest most skilled pilot ever. I wish I had listened to aviationknowitall so that I would be as cool and popular and as amazing a pilot as he is." Keep spreading your pearls of wisdom and insight, aviationknowitall. We all can learn from you. I'm sure we'll hear of you again when the topic of great Canadian aviators comes up.

I went to Sault College.

The program is tough. The professors are dedicated. Still the same bunch up their I’m sure. Most hail from Military backgrounds. So if you go up there and expect to continue living like a 17 year old high school kid you are going to hate it.

I have to admit when I was there I wasn’t a fan of how somet things went. The demands seemed ridiculous at points. Like being handed a CFS and told "Here is the CFS memorize the entire gen section”. At the time I thought that sort of thing was nuts.

Years later I am thankful that guys like Louis St. Pierre and Brian Stewart took the time to impose on my desire to drink beer and chase women all day. They impressed upon me a great sense of professionalism and attention to detail that I did not have before going to the program. They laid a foundation that I have built upon for years.

So don't listen to this guy. Sault College is a great option. It will be work. And there will be times when you hate it. But much like a loving parent that disciplined you when you were a kid they do it only to make you into something better.

Cheers.


-editted because the Sault taught me how to fly but apparently not speak proper Canada.

aviationknowitall wrote:-Costs more to move to dault ste mare for three yaers than it would to be to do it privately
- They fly old outdated planes that are not good for flight training, and not very economical
-Takes approximately 3 & 1/2 years to complete yor training
-No upper hand in the industry towards getting a job. The only thing you get is an aviation diploma. You might as well use the diploma to start a fire
- You are forced to live in a small town that contains no women
-There is absolutely nothing to do in sault ste marie that is fun except become an alcoholic or go skiing.
-Two years of working time gone down the drain because you are spending it in school
-The profs in the program are incompetant, but there are some goods ones
-Extemely depressing program that makes you take courses that are so unrelated to aviation
-Most of the flight instructors there think they are maverick
-All around poorly run program
-Theres much more

More expensive to live in the Sault? In third year I was paying $145/month rent. I don't imagine you'll find a place for even 5 times that cost anywhere within driving distance of seneca.

Outdated planes? The first plane I flew with Equal or better equipment than the planes at Sault college flies, cost $2,000,000 and took me 2 years to get to.

Non economical? You want to go to seneca and fly the bonanza, perhaps you should have a peak at the fuel burn on that. While you're cracking the books check out the burn on a baron vs the seminole.

3.5 years to complete training. September of 2010 - May of 2013, with one summer off. Might wanna check your math on that one.

No upper hand in getting a job. Air sprint and North Wright both ask for an aviation college diploma for new hires. Beyond that, you'll graduate with 20-30 friends who will spread through the industry. As long as you're not a tard, and don't piss everyone off, you'll have a fantastic network of peers right from day 1.

Aviation diploma worthless. You might want to tell that to Air Canada so they can stop awarding points to candidates with one in their hiring process.

Small town with no women. There's like 80k people living in the Sault. If you think it's too small or there's no women, places like Pickle Lake, or Norman Wells are going to be an eye opener for ya.

nothing to do. They have pretty much everything up there with the exception of art galleries and natural history museums. Why do I get the feeling that you wouldn't be going to those places anyway? There is the bush plane museum though. World class fishing right downtown in the St. Mary's river. There's lots to do if you'd open your eyes. I guess you didn't last long enough to find out.

2 years of missed working. I actually see that as a plus. I have probably the best job in the country now, and still look back on my time at the Sault as a blast. Since when did learning as much as you can about your chosen career become a waste of time?

Bad profs. You're not going to find college or university out there that doesn't have a big mix. A lot of it will come down to personality types you mesh well with. If this thread is any indication, I don't imagine you play well with others. Maybe it's not them as much as it's you?

have to take courses unrelated to aviation. They obviously did their job if you failed out. You might wanna check into the Seneca curriculum before you sign on the dotted line. If you think Sault has a lot of math, physics, dynamics, and theory classes you're in for a rude awakening.

flight instructors think they're maverick. That's every guy out there with 400hrs and a set of ray bans. You'll find that out if you chose to continue flying elsewhere.

Poorly run program So by the sounds of it a good program would last 6 months and use katanas? Thanks, but I'll stick with the poorly run program.

there's much more. oh please don't hold back on us like that, we're all dying to hear your sob story.

Well.....somebody had to trot it out....might as well be me....


....everything you say about Sault may or may not (I'm going with 'may not') be true, BUT, if you go to Sault at least you will know how to land in an X-wind.......

That ought to stoke the flames a bit.

...oh yeah...almost forgot.....you also learn to put the gear down before you hear scraping sounds at Sault......

Ahh Mcrit, don't say things like that. Sault has had a gear up landing in the past. Lets not turn this into a Seneca/Sault debate.

The original poster is an idiot.

There is an argument to be made against college. But this one is pretty weak.


BTD

Sault Grad 05. I had a blast.

BTD wrote:Ahh Mcrit, don't say things like that. Sault has had a gear up landing in the past. Lets not turn this into a Seneca/Sault debate.

...but the mod said he wanted a flame war, I was just doing like the boss asked.......

I wont comment on the original poster.. however, i will say that i never applied at sault/seneca etc. mainly because of the "non-related" aviation courses..

VikVaughan wrote:SuperchargedBS, is that you?

LOL

no, I actually didn't chime in on this one!


Though my feeling towards confed have not changed


-S

aviationknowitall wrote:- You are forced to live in a small town that contains no women

Plenty of women, if you aren't fussy about her having more than eight teeth!

however staff and students have personally admitted to the following a) inefficient b) slow when compared to other AC in its category 3) uncomfortable and finally, 4) beyond impractical. You also state it makes a product of superior stick and rudder skills. I hope you do not mean literally? They do not fly them like CF18s. If my facts are correct, they receive one single aerobatic ride in their 3 year tenure? In today’s economy, I think Sault could do well with brining in a far more cost effective fleet. But who knows, maybe some Harvard IIs are on the way? But do pilots truly care about efficiency of their ride? or more so the sexiness / personal fulfillment they get from it? Don't worry I am guilty as well.

Stick and rudder skills applies to a lot more than just aerobatics. I can fly a C172 with my feet resting on the floor for the whole flight... but if you try to land (even a 172) in any sort of crosswind like that, you'll end up in the rhubarb. I wouldn't dare take my feet off the rudder pedals in a Citabria! Cessnas are easy to fly, and are very easy to fly badly. Somehow people learned to fly years ago in much less forgiving aircraft (Cub, Champ, Canuck, etc.), so if you're going to run a professional pilot programme, why not set the bar a little higher than the average Sunday flyer school. I know there are more cost effective aircraft, but how can you argue with the fun of a Super Decathlon

Base Super Decathlon, 8KCAB
Lycoming AEIO-360-H1B, 180 HP Engine
Inverted Fuel and Engine Oiling Systems
Hartzell HC-C2YR-4CF/FC7666A-2 Acrobatic Constant Speed 74" Propeller $152,500

That's $113,000 cheaper than a new 172, and even if you add on all of the possible options, it will still work out to be under $200,000.
I'm sure you could get other aircraft for less money, but then you start running into other problems.

flightlead wrote: Believe it or not Dan, many people withdraw from programs due to the politics, the BS, and above all the lack of interest within the scheduled courses.

In my year 1 of 97 withdrew for real. The rest just prefer the ring of that to, failed out.

If i were to attend an aviation college in the future I would choose Seneca. You would graduate with both a degree and get some modern flight training in modern aircraft and they actually include a jet transition course. Why would anyone want to attend Sault is beyond me.....Seneca college baby! They have girls!

Obviously sarcasm guys....but I'll bite.

Aren't the Zlins newer than the Bonanzas/Barons?

Yes, jet transition course and a degree.....because that'll help get you a job right now

They have girls? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

aviationknowitall wrote: I actually have a degree in writers craft from york university so u should do what this song says

LOL, you're shittin' me right???

I agree with this poster... This program is a money grab just like all the other aviation diploma programs. Here's why:

The John Abbot professional aviation program back in the day cost 55- 60k. It was a full time program which lasted for 2 or 2.5 years. The non pilot courses consisted of a few accounting , business and some other classes.

That being said, the reason why these programs are a waist of money, is cause you can get a real piece of paper (ie. your University degree) AND get your commercial license for the same price as these programs. The university degree looks way better and will open other doors as well as a solid backup in case you need one.

Just my thoughts