Big Pistons Forever wrote:You raise a valid point, however my personal feeling is the Instructor must be competant and effective with their very first student. Some guys may have "potential" but I do not think they should use their early students as a pathway to eventually develop into "really good instructors one day".

Ultimately there is only a loose correlation between the class of Instructor and teaching competance. Just because a person holds a Class 2 rating, or a Class 1 for that matter, doesn't mean they are any good. After all 767 is a class 2 and based on what he posts he is IMO absolutely clueless,

A huge +1, esp on the last part

I know a Class 1 I wouldn't trust to fly my family on even a scenic tour. Their first Class IV was fired on thier first day because they didn't have even the most basic of skills.

Instructor Class doesn't mean too much but in some cases it is dead on.

Lurch

Lurch wrote:

loopa wrote:So there definitely are good class 4 instructor's around, you just have to research and find them. I believe the quality of instruction at a flight school, again, comes back to the leadership (CFI), and how smart he/she is. For a good CFI, will know the difference between good and bad instructors, and consecutively uses that in his/her selection process when hiring. A bad CFI on the other hand does not only have a lack of leadership skills, their hiring practices are most likely bizarre as well - leading to the employment of instructors without really knowing what it is he/she needs to look for. You don't want to do your training with a school whose leader gets through road blocks by "winging" it.

So let's say there is a Class IV who acts like they know it all, lazy, don't want to help out around the school, and students no longer want to fly with them, what should the CFI do? Is this to be blamed on the CFI or should the instructor be to blame for their poor work ethic? Maybe they should man up admit they were wrong and learn from their mistakes, or maybe just lie to their next employer as to why they were fired!

Thoughts?

Lurch

Really dude? really? You gotta try and tear everyone else that doesn't come accross your point of view in a sweet way down? Honestly, stick your nose out of others business and mind your own already! Stop trying to ruin others reputations based on how you feel. Let them take care of themselves. If they really are hurting themselves, they'll get what's coming. You don't have to do it for them. That is just classless.

Odd when did you work with me? Weren't you still a MRC know it all before I stopped instructing

Lurch

Lurch wrote:Odd when did you work with me? Weren't you still a MRC know it all before I stopped instructing

Lurch

oh right, i forgot. I don't have 10 000 hours like Lurch...I should never have said anything!!!

Randleman wrote:

Lurch wrote:Odd when did you work with me? Weren't you still a MRC know it all before I stopped instructing

Lurch

oh right, i forgot. I don't have 10 000 hours like Lurch...I should never have said anything!!!

No, but a little bit more respect would be nice.

Maybe if my words didn't ring true you wouldn't of got so worked up. Considering most on here won't have a clue what you're going on about.

Great thing about taking a shot in the dark eventually you hit something

Lurch

Hey Randleman . . . everyone who follows this forum knows you talk out of your butt.

I'd much rather lend creditibility to the Lurch then to you . . . everyone knows you're a little gossip girl and I would suggest it's time to reinvent yourself in AVCANADA.

I can't believe you are actually a commercial pilot!! Heaven help your employer!

I would suggest that you be careful 'cause your little reputation here is going to catch up with you and bite you right in the a--.

Checkyourtrim wrote: I would suggest that you be careful 'cause your little reputation here is going to catch up with you and bite you right in the a--.

Randleman/Loopa/Beaverdude's reputation has caught up with him in real life already, I think it's time for an AvCanada hiatus and to take a good look at where a bad attitude gets you in this industry

Pete

ywgguy81 wrote:

Checkyourtrim wrote: I would suggest that you be careful 'cause your little reputation here is going to catch up with you and bite you right in the a--.

Randleman/Loopa/Beaverdude's reputation has caught up with him in real life already, I think it's time for an AvCanada hiatus and to take a good look at where a bad attitude gets you in this industry

Pete

Check mate!

I'm not going to throw fireballs at anybody here, because every person will and have at some point made mistakes in their life, career, etc.

What is important is what you gain out of it.

Pete, I don't know who you are, but we're not the same person. I am a kind of person who puts heart and soul into my work ethic when the basic working relationships of respect and integrity are practiced. No company is perfect, but there are companies that are better and worse than others. And the reputation I am striving towards is working hard and learning from people who are more experienced than me despite personality clashes and differences. There will always be a few people you don't get along with. The best thing to do is just to appreciate the differences and try to avoid clash as much as possible. Unfortunately I had to learn that lesson the hard way.

Which brings me to you Lurch; I think the answer to your question on what a CFI should do was answered by BPF, which I completely agree with. Despite our differences and opinions of each other, I know you as a competent aviator, and would trust you with a family member, and as surprising as it may sound, have learned a thing or two from you by listening to you talk.

As for this debate on Randleman's lack of experience and speaking up - every one is entitled to their opinion. I would like to believe that he has a type of attitude where he is willing to learn. But that's not for me to judge, rather for him to delegate and show.

I'd like to conclude with this. We all have our differences, and we all have our ways of approaching things and assuming things to be right. I think this is the biggest thing I have learned through my experience with you Lurch. We're two aviators who are looking to pursue our own stream of goals in this industry. I've got some great friends and massive connections, as I am sure you do. Neither of us are know it alls, as we're both still learning and improving.

You guys have yourselves a great day!