Freelance instruction

[danishroy]

Just found out there is a flight instructor in my extended family. Anyways I'm having to move back to lethbridge due to my wife's health. He has his own airplane and all. I'm heading down to see him in a week just to see if he's willing to help me finish my ppl. And hopefully save some money in the process (he's a farmer, so helping him around the farm for a reduced rate). Haven't had a chance to speak to him in person yet but just thought I would ask. According to the CAR.s is it legal for him to train me with his own Aircraft? I thought I heard someone say you need to own your own airplane to get a freelance instructor. Also on another post on this forum someone said you can't take advantage of tax benefits by using a freelance. I'm assuming the poster meant writing off the training costs. Is that true?
Why would you not be able to write freelance training off?

[photofly]

In his own airplane he can train only his family members for a PPL. I believe that means father/mother, brother/sister and son/daughter only, but I can't find a reference for that. You might want to check with a TC office. Otherwise it has to be your plane, not his.

[danishroy]

What if I were to buy a share in the airplane? I will call tc on Monday. It's just a really good opportunity hopefully I can take advantage of it.

[photofly]

I believe if you buy a share in the plane you're good to go. I do suggest you try to confirm the arrangement with someone at TC. It sounds better, ex post facto, than "someone on the internet said it would be fine".

[danishroy]

Ya forsure I will check with them. Thanks!

[B208]

The pertinent reg is CAR 406. I'd post it but TC's new CAR site disagrees with my iPad. The long and the short of it is that for a PPL or an RPP you have to use an FTU or an aircraft of which the student is an owner. Nothing in the reg precludes the student being a part owner. I have freelanced in this situation in the past with no difficulties.
A word of caution WRT asking TC anything; their personel are often not well versed in all the CARs and will often default to giving you an answer of "no". You are much better off digging into the CARs for yourself and then pointing them to the reference if TC asks. I've done this a few times. To TC's credit, they've always been good once I've pointed out a reference.

[upintheair_]

You could always "buy a share" in the plane while you do the training and then he can buy it back from you when you're done. There's always ways to get around things.

They just don't want people out there with their own aircraft essentially running a one man flight school operation.

[GQ4]

If you are training towards a commercial license because you want to be a professional pilot, a flight school will issue you a TL11B so that you can use your flight training expenses as tuition (equivalent of a tuition receipt T2202A from a college/university). Since the freelancer does not own a school, he cannot issue a TL11B. However, the freelancer generally does not charge HST/GST because they earn under $30,000 / year doing it and are exempt as a "small supplier".

If you're doing the PPL with no intent of a professional career, it really doesn't matter which way you go since you can't get a TL11B either way; though the freelance is most likely HST exempt.

[danishroy]

If you are training towards a commercial license because you want to be a professional pilot, a flight school will issue you a TL11B so that you can use your flight training expenses as tuition (equivalent of a tuition receipt T2202A from a college/university). Since the freelancer does not own a school, he cannot issue a TL11B. However, the freelancer generally does not charge HST/GST because they earn under $30,000 / year doing it and are exempt as a "small supplier".

If you're doing the PPL with no intent of a professional career, it really doesn't matter which way you go since you can't get a TL11B either way; though the freelance is most likely HST exempt.

I am continuing onto commercial license after the ppl. I have done about 25 hours at my current flying club. So i will only be able to get the T2202A from my club for the 25 hours? or do i need to complete my ppl to get the T2202a from my club?
SO any training i do with a freelance i would not be able to get the T2202a?

[ThatArmyGuy]

I am continuing onto commercial license after the ppl. I have done about 25 hours at my current flying club. So i will only be able to get the T2202A from my club for the 25 hours? or do i need to complete my ppl to get the T2202a from my club?

You should definitely check with the general manager with regards to receiving a T2202A. Last I knew, you are not eligible for a T2202A for your PPL until you've demonstrated that you intend to do this as a career (such as completing the PPL and starting your first lesson at the CPL level).

SO any training i do with a freelance i would not be able to get the T2202a?

I am a freelance instructor and therefore my students do not qualify for a T2202A because I am not a flight school. That said, they benefit from the lack of taxation in the first place.

[praveen4143]

For ab-initio training, TC wants the airplane to be "at an arm's length" of the person doing the training. Which means that either your name is on the Cert of Registration or else, the name of the owner on the CofR should be a blood relative - mom, dad, son, daughter, brother or sister. Not terribly sure, but I think uncles and aunts count too, but cousins do not. Best way is to buy a share on the airplane which you can "sell back" to them after training