Jazz purchasing more CRJ900s (assume converted to 705s)

[pilotman15]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bombardie ... rc=applewf

[leftoftrack]

Parking more 200's?

[av8ts]

Long range fleet plan. I think 5 more 705s and 5 more Qs have been added to this

[rxl]

No. These new airplanes are certified as -900's and will remain as -900's with 12J 64Y configuration.
The current fleet of 16 -705's will be converted to this same configuration and will be "re-certified" as -900's. The -705 designation will cease to exist at Jazz.

[flyinhigh]

That is quite a fleet reduction they have listed there.

No. These new airplanes are certified as -900's and will remain as -900's with 12J 64Y configuration.
The current fleet of 16 -705's will be converted to this same configuration and will be "re-certified" as -900's. The -705 designation will cease to exist at Jazz.

And how will that work with ACPAs scope clause?

[rxl]

I believe that the ACPA scope line is drawn at a max seating capacity of 76 seats for jets at the Express carriers.

[Beach 200]

No. These new airplanes are certified as -900's and will remain as -900's with 12J 64Y configuration.
The current fleet of 16 -705's will be converted to this same configuration and will be "re-certified" as -900's. The -705 designation will cease to exist at Jazz.

What????? So Jazz adds one more seat and they gotta spend millions to recertify the aircraft to 900's... Where the heck did you hear this. Quote your facts.
Fact is a 900 or 705 is the exact same airplane. If they ordered them as a 900 they stay 900's with the 76 seat config. It's also a news release since everyone not just pilot or aviation buffs amongst us know, that a 900 or 705 is the exact same frame. So the common folk don't care what the aircraft type ordered is. Recertify an aircraft is a bit more paper work intense and costly than it's worth in the scheme of things for one more seat. Common type and they operate them as is.

[PositiveRate27]

No. These new airplanes are certified as -900's and will remain as -900's with 12J 64Y configuration.
The current fleet of 16 -705's will be converted to this same configuration and will be "re-certified" as -900's. The -705 designation will cease to exist at Jazz.

What????? So Jazz adds one more seat and they gotta spend millions to recertify the aircraft to 900's... Where the heck did you hear this. Quote your facts.
Fact is a 900 or 705 is the exact same airplane. If they ordered them as a 900 they stay 900's with the 76 seat config. It's also a news release since everyone not just pilot or aviation buffs amongst us know, that a 900 or 705 is the exact same frame. So the common folk don't care what the aircraft type ordered is. Recertify an aircraft is a bit more paper work intense and costly than it's worth in the scheme of things for one more seat. Common type and they operate them as is.

That's a nice little self narrative, but RXL is correct.

[rxl]

I am quoting the facts, and here's a couple more for you:
The CRJ705 was certified by TC as CL600-2D15 with a passenger seating capacity of UP TO 75.
The CRJ900 was certified by TC as CL600-2D24 with a passenger seating capacity of UP TO 90.
I have no idea what it will cost to "re-certify" the 705 as a 900. It is quite likely a paper work exercise since, like you said, they are essentially the same airplane.
I have no doubt that the managers have done the costing and that the extra revenue generating potential of 2 more J class seats and 12 more preferred Y class seats will offset that expense whatever amount it will be.

[bobcaygeon]

ACPA's scope language states max certified capacity of 75 seats not configured for 75 hence why the 705 was created for Jazz in the first place.

This occurred with the CRJ 100/200's as well to meet scope requirements. There were a bunch of them certified for only 44ish seats to comply with scope clauses that had been built around the ATR 42 size aircraft.

[TheStig]

The ACPA Collective Agreement now specifies Medium Jet Aircraft (MJA) at the CPA's can now be configured with up to 76 seats. The language in the previous contract used to say certified up to 75 seats, so the CRJ-900 was certified to 75 seats and the CRJ-705 was 'created'.

Overall the scope language is insanely complex. The simplest projection is that the CPA carriers are allowed up to 90 MJA with AC/rouges current narrow body fleet and the airline meeting its 2020 wide body growth targets. Of coarse if mainline continues to growth so will the CPA's. There are 3 different sets of limitations/avenues permitted to allow flexibility for AC to taylor is regional flying demands, while ensuring that CPA carriers don't cannibalize the mainline narrow body fleet. To give you an idea of the complexities involved there are a number of replacement credits for various aircraft categories and a few different growth/shrink ratios.

[ajet32]

Delta Connection Airlines operate CRJ900 with 76 seats. The lay out and seat tracks, bins etc are the same as the 705 with one exception. An extra seat in economy. I suspect that changing the original 16 705's to CRJ900 will be a paperwork exercise that Bombardier will assist with completing. Sales are important these days.

[KenoraPilot]

RXL is correct 100%

[goingnowherefast]

Couldn't this be accomplished through an STC? Changing a type certificate seems like it would be much more of a hassle.