what if people stopped taking jobs at regionals?

[johngalt]

Jazz is hiring like crazy, Porter is hiring to replace all of the people jumping ship, and Encore is rapidly growing.

So how would say a two month pause in anyone taking jobs at regionals effect the industry?

Would they have to make immediate pay raises?

They would be parking planes within two months.

[telex]

Or hire foreign workers at lower wages due to lack of qualified people in the country?

[fixnfly]

Yea Jazz has started to hand out offers to guys with around 1500TT and 300MPIC all instructing. No multicrew or turbine experience necessary anymore.

[MrWings]

Or hire foreign workers at lower wages due to lack of qualified people in the country?

This is the correct answer.

[garfield]

Or hire foreign workers at lower wages due to lack of qualified people in the country?

This is the correct answer.

Georgian is already doing it on the RJ.

[co-joe]

It's like the age old question; if we all stopped driving cars for 1 month would the price of gas come down? Sure for a day but we'd all need to fill our empty tanks at once which would drive the price back up.

You can bet if the regionals couldn't find 1500 hour pilots willing to make the jump, they would immediately cry foul to the feds that they need TFW's. Nobody would side with pilots who make an average of 150K a year. (or some high number the media pulls out of its hat every time there's threat of a job action)

[Sidebar]

There's zero chance of people not taking jobs at regionals. They've always accepted the job offers, and they always will.

What kind of pilot the companies get, that's a different question.

[Zaibatsu]

You don't need a 1500 hour pilot. In Europe they've got 250 hour pilots flying Airbuses.

Gone are the days where you needed time on the Shuttle or SR-72 to fly right seat in a Navajo after a year or two on the ramp. The standards will be lowered unless a spike in accidents dictates they should be raised. Or bring in the foreign workers.

[Inverted2]

Jazz has recently had several pilots not show up for ground schools. The Air Canada PML will eventually lose it's draw. Lots have been getting turned down recently. There's no guarantee you'll get to mainline after you do the video interview. In person interview. Cog test. Psych test and extensive medical. Something to consider.......

[Black_Tusk]

Not gonna happen. You know why? Cause there's lots of pilots being shit kicked around in 703/704 that would be happy to leave for a job at any regional.

They will simply lower the minimums again and a whole new crop of pilots will become available to hire. Is it right? I don't really have an opinion on that since I don't make the rules. All I know is I enjoy my job, and had the chance to start at a regional with 1500 hours. It's not a hard job, anyone with their head on straight and a few hours under their belt can flog a dash8 or CRJ around.

[phillyfan]

Ya sure. You first. Keep in mind pilot types will trample their own mother for a chance at a job where you get a dorky hat and a short sleeve collared shot with stripes. The less experience the carrier needs the worse it will get. 20 year olds living in their parents basement without mouths to feed who spend their nights flying Microsoft Flight Sim, will be beating down the door. Its a Millennial World.

[Black_Tusk]

While you and everyone else here is complaining about the state of the industry, I'm happy enjoying my life.

I make more than enough money to live (and save), medical coverage, sick days, vacation, and live in the city I grew up in. I get to see my parents regularly, hang out with my friends and not be that "guy" who works 3000 miles away and looses touch with everyone. Sure, I'm going to try to go to AC one day. But if they say no, which they do a lot, I'll still have a good job with a quick trip to the left seat and with that a big pay increase. It's like talking to a concrete wall on this site.

Don't assume everyone is 20 years old living in their parents basement.

[anofly]

i am happy there is a pick up in movement for pilot types. In the 60s, the instructor was hired right out of the back seat of the aeronca champ my dad was learning in, to go to air canada mainline. These business's only want to run the business. They will fill all the seats and in fact train staff as req'd, to stay in business. Hiring mins will come down quickly as things start to move.Europe has long had a "direct entry to ab intio training for flight crew" model . They put folks in airliners with much less experience than north america.There simply is not enough folks with pilots lic over there, and in many ways they would rather train "their way", rather than have folks banging around in navajos for 5 years and then retrain them, to "our way".
Get your resumes dusted off folks.

[Meatservo]

You don't need a 1500 hour pilot. In Europe they've got 250 hour pilots flying Airbuses.
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Yeah, but they don't let them land. It depends what you mean by "flying". The European carriers are running into the same trouble promoting these skill-less wieners to Captain that Jazz is going to very soon.

The real good news for you young folks is that at some point the companies for whom you actually need to possess some actual flying ability will soon be forced to up the ante in order to prevent their F.Os from heading to the big airlines. Once that happens, a young person might reasonably hope to have a career that is both exciting AND lucrative.

[johngalt]

Not gonna happen. You know why? Cause there's lots of pilots being shit kicked around in 703/704 that would be happy to leave for a job at any regional.

They will simply lower the minimums again and a whole new crop of pilots will become available to hire. Is it right? I don't really have an opinion on that since I don't make the rules. All I know is I enjoy my job, and had the chance to start at a regional with 1500 hours. It's not a hard job, anyone with their head on straight and a few hours under their belt can flog a dash8 or CRJ around.

My 703 jobs got me home more and paid more then the current regional I work for. Over the long term they tell I'll earn more if they don't replace me with a robot.

[Meatservo]

They will, though. You understand that, right?

[JohnnyHotRocks]

If people stopped accepting jobs at AC would their pathetic entry level wages go up?

[goingnowherefast]

Somebody should start a thread for those that are avoiding the regionals. Post schedule, current salary, peak salary and the amount a regional would have to pay to attract you.

On second thought, maybe we don't want all the "tin chasers" competing for the good 703/704 jobs too.

[digits_]

You don't need a 1500 hour pilot. In Europe they've got 250 hour pilots flying Airbuses.
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Yeah, but they don't let them land.

Riiiiiight. There might be the odd exception, but in Europe FOs actually do land the plane. They are even allowed to touch the controls. They can even talk to the captain if they disagree with him. Like in a real multi crew environment. Amaaaaazing, isn't it?

[Black_Tusk]

Not gonna happen. You know why? Cause there's lots of pilots being shit kicked around in 703/704 that would be happy to leave for a job at any regional.

They will simply lower the minimums again and a whole new crop of pilots will become available to hire. Is it right? I don't really have an opinion on that since I don't make the rules. All I know is I enjoy my job, and had the chance to start at a regional with 1500 hours. It's not a hard job, anyone with their head on straight and a few hours under their belt can flog a dash8 or CRJ around.

My 703 jobs got me home more and paid more then the current regional I work for. Over the long term they tell I'll earn more if they don't replace me with a robot.

I got paid more, but certainly not home more. I'll take the starting lower pay to be able to move back home and start.a life.

[Meatservo]

You don't need a 1500 hour pilot. In Europe they've got 250 hour pilots flying Airbuses.
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Yeah, but they don't let them land.

Riiiiiight. There might be the odd exception, but in Europe FOs actually do land the plane. They are even allowed to touch the controls. They can even talk to the captain if they disagree with him. Like in a real multi crew environment. Amaaaaazing, isn't it?

Oh. I wasn't aware you'd been working as an airline pilot in Europe. Well, you can fool the fans, but you can't fool the players, I guess.

[ajet32]

Well I have worked and trained pilots with 250 hours in Europe and Asia. Do they make every landing, no. They land when conditions are suitable which is most of the time. The system in Europe and Asia exists because there is really no commercial General Aviation similar to that in Canada. The majors train select pilots and the rest fork out a 100,000 Euros or more and get a seat. The accident rate in Europe isn't any better or worse than ours. One problem is they learn by rote and do it the same every time they fly. This makes it rather boring but that's life.

[Eric Janson]

Yeah, but they don't let them land. It depends what you mean by "flying". The European carriers are running into the same trouble promoting these skill-less wieners to Captain that Jazz is going to very soon.

As previously stated this is incorrect. I have extensive experience flying with 250 hour F/O in both Europe and Asia.

We normally split the sectors 50/50.

My 19 year old F/O on the 757 was extremely sharp - you only had to show him once.

I've never had to take control and I've never had a "Dual Input" event on the fly by wire airbus.

[av8ts]

I've heard the cadet training programs in Europe are far more extensive than in Canada. They even include jet time. Any truth to this? If so then all "250 hour wonders" are not created equal

[Cat Driver]

When I was flying in Europe the cost to get trained to fly a jet was about 120,000 Euro.

That was in 2005.