The Wrights and their impossible 1904 flights, 105 in total.

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The Wrights and their impossible 1904 flights, 105 in total.

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The Wrights and their impossible 1904 flights

This is the most recent free book about one of the greatest technical frauds of the twentieth century. The work is based only on primary sources, mainly documents of the period 1903-1905, in majority letters of the two brothers and the answers received by them, plus newspaper articles (all quoted in full).

After reading the letters and articles you start to ask yourself how is it possible that so many authors credit Wilbur and Orville Wright with building the first heavier-than-air man carrying plane that ever flew when, in fact, the two inventors just tried to fool the newspapers (especially those of Dayton), Octave Chanute (a personality of the aeronautic world of the time), Georges Spratt (a fellow aviation enthusiast), Carl Diesentbach (the New York correspondent of the German journal "Illustrierte Aeronautische Mitteilungen") and both the US War Department and British War Office, by pretending they had performed no less than 105 flights in 1904 and, in many instances, describing aerial trips that are physically impossible, like the ones of August 13, 1904, when the plane, Flyer II, got energy from the headwind, which accelerated the apparatus.

"The Press", the only newspaper that, on May 26, 1904, furnished a list of witnesses (friends of the Wright family and an unnamed reporter) who saw the alleged flight of the same day, later in the year, on December 17, 1904, acknowledged that nobody had ever seen the two inventors flying powered planes.

"The Wrights and their impossible 1904 flights", by Bogdan Lazar, April 5, 2021.
"The Wrights and their impossible 1904 flights", by Bogdan Lazar, April 5, 2021.
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Re: The Wright brothers and their 105 imaginary powered flights of 1904.

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You keep posting the same thing.

I've read this before. There's a good chance that you're right. But do you really have to appeal to "the moon landing was faked" crowd?

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It is not the same thing. I have never posted, until now, in full this list of documents of great historical value which are all attached to the book I mentioned:

- The Jan. 14 - Dec. 26, 1904, correspondence between Wilbur and Octave Chanute (an old civil engineer and businessman living in Chicago, who was a known personality of the time in the field of aeronautics) plus a few other letters exchanged by the two in 1905 and 1906.

- Wilbur’s and Orville’s notebooks E and G, respectively, containing flight data.

- The 1904 entries, related to the aeronautical work of the two experimenters, in their father’s diary.

- The 1904 newspaper articles that mention flights performed by the brothers in 1904 or offer information about their aeronautical activity.

- The letters exchanged by the Wrights and Georges Spratt, an aviation enthusiast, between Jan. 7, 1904, and Feb. 9, 1905.

- The Aug. 24, 1904 - Nov. 17, 1905, correspondence between the two inventors and Carl Dienstbach, the New York correspondent of the German journal “Illustrierte Aëronautische Mitteilungen”.

- The negotiations between the brothers and: (1) the US War Department (from Jan. 18 to Oct. 27, 1905); (2) the British War Office (from Sep. 16, 1904, to Feb. 8, 1906).
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With all due respect, go @#$! yourself.

The idea is more important than the men.
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LOL. GTFO.
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ozon wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:18 pm It is not the same thing. I have never posted, until now, in full this list of documents of great historical value which are all attached to the book I mentioned:
You have 5 threads on the same subject.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=145111&p=1150269#p1150269
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=145111&p=1150264#p1150264
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=141725&p=1132937#p1132937
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=137533&p=1105629#p1105629
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There exists simply no picture or technical drawing in the publication of the time (1903-1905) showing something looking like Flyer I, II or III!

The German aeronautical magazine "Illustrierte Aeronautische Mitteilungen" was desperate to get a photo of the Wright machine but found nothing except artist impressions, one of them, taken from the New York Herald, was published in its March 1904 issue and the second, a drawing by Carl Dienstbach, who corresponded with the Wrights, appeared in print one year later, in March 1905.

The images are both just fiction.
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Drawing, of the December 17, 1903, plane, republished by  Illustrierte Aeronautische Mitteilungen in March 1904. The original appeared in the New York Herald of January 17, 1904.
Drawing, of the December 17, 1903, plane, republished by Illustrierte Aeronautische Mitteilungen in March 1904. The original appeared in the New York Herald of January 17, 1904.
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Author of article is Bogdan Lazar

That name made this connection in my mind.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/DqTZmCVP0E0?t=4m03s
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My threads are all different. Yes, they are about the Wright brothers but the information is different. I do not post the same thing but always new evidence. New things you did not see before.
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Ozon is right actually. Here is some rather compelling evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

(How do I add a YouTube link?)
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gwagen wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:46 pm Author of article is Bogdan Lazar

That name made this connection in my mind.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/DqTZmCVP0E0?t=4m03s
I am sorry but your connection is wrong. I do not believe the author has something to do with russians. I do not find russians with this combination of given name and family name.
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I don't really understand why this matters, or why it's worth talking about.
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simply_no_one wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:55 pm I don't really understand why this matters, or why it's worth talking about.
It doesn't, and it isn't. The OP is a troll.
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ozon wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 pm I am sorry but your connection is wrong. I do not believe the author has something to do with russians. I do not find russians with this combination of given name and family name.
Please watch this video to the end it will completely explain the connection in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLzxrzFCyOs
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gwagen wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:07 pm
ozon wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 pm I am sorry but your connection is wrong. I do not believe the author has something to do with russians. I do not find russians with this combination of given name and family name.
Please watch this video to the end it will completely explain the connection in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLzxrzFCyOs
Hahah! Mine is better! No ads!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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I will watch that video to the end, but before take a look at the following explanation offered by the New York Herald concerning the way Flyer I worked and how the Dec. 17, 1903, flights were made possible by a propeller turning in the horizontal plane.
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Here's another video that supports Ozon's argument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt81gzIAt18
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Maybe somebody will be able to explain how Milton Wright, the father of Wilbur and Orville, was at home all day, on Dec. 1, 1904, and in the evening visited Lorin, one of his sons, but at the same time he was, for at least 4 hours, 8 miles east of Dayton where he witnessed Orville flying 2.75 miles!

Bishop Milton Wright's Diary, the entry of Dec. 1, 1904.
Bishop Milton Wright's Diary, the entry of Dec. 1, 1904.
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• Thursday, December 1, 1904
“At home all day. Wrote some letters. At Lorin’s a half hour in the
evening.
I went to the Torrence Huffman’s farm on 12:00 car, and saw Orville, at
4:00, fly two [the word “two” is barely readable] and ¾ miles. (two and ¾
miles).
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Nope. Not biting.

Oh, how I would love to explain the concept of how things get lost in the sands of time, however I think that will fall upon deaf ears.

Mods, please just close this thread.
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I think Ol' Buzz Aldrin needs to punch you in the face.
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Greasy Greaser wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:37 pm I think Ol' Buzz Aldrin needs to punch you in the face.
+1

Well said.
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I watched that video.

- Alexander Graham Bell was a Scot born in Edinburgh, so neither the russian nor the american in that video was right. The telephone was invented by a Scot.

- I also understand that the russian believed his plane was an advanced model but the american said the plane was the same model the US had two years before. This is exactly what the Wright brothers did. They showed their plane in August 1908, in France, to peoples like Farman, Delagrange and Bleriot who had already flown their own aeroplanes more advanced than that of Wilbur.
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Buzz Aldrin punched himself in the face in Astronauts Gone Wild in front of Bart Sibrel and million of people.
see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr6Vcvl ... GG&index=1
He behaved in such a way during the interview that he discredited the entire Apollo program. Before watching the video (in 2016, I acknowledge I was late) I was convinced that Apollo 11 had been a real Moon mission. After 2016, I went to the truck driver who in 1982 told me: "You know, the Earth is big and you can find here places looking like the Moon or you can create them", and I said: "I am sorry, I was wrong, you was right".
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Nope. Not biting. You've now officially moved into "the moon landing was faked" territory. You sir, are an unmitigated troll, and this forum would be better without you.
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Odd aggression here. Lol.
So, OP, what are you postulating? Are you refuting the 1903 flight? Or just skeptical at the number of flights they recorded in 1904?
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