Airline Demand.
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Airline Demand.
I’ve received two separate, aggressive AC sale offers in my inbox within the last week.
Draw your own conclusions. It confirms what I am seeing elsewhere.
Draw your own conclusions. It confirms what I am seeing elsewhere.
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Re: Airline Demand.
You can read into it whatever you want. It has been my experience over many years, most operations that sell travel will market aggressively to sell space during shoulder seasons. Want to do a cheap Alaska cruise, book in April or later in September. Want to go in the peak season, book in July and pay nigh on 3x the price for the same cabin.
The goal in the shoulder season is not to make a ton of money, it's to bring in revenue that makes a dent in operating expenses.
But keep on with the doom and gloom predictions, if you stay on that course, at some point in life you will be right, just like a stopped clock, it's right twice a day.
The goal in the shoulder season is not to make a ton of money, it's to bring in revenue that makes a dent in operating expenses.
But keep on with the doom and gloom predictions, if you stay on that course, at some point in life you will be right, just like a stopped clock, it's right twice a day.
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I have no idea for sure what will happen — though The jokes from the peanut gallery are usually a reliable indicator, too.goldeneagle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:20 pm You can read into it whatever you want. It has been my experience over many years, most operations that sell travel will market aggressively to sell space during shoulder seasons. Want to do a cheap Alaska cruise, book in April or later in September. Want to go in the peak season, book in July and pay nigh on 3x the price for the same cabin.
The goal in the shoulder season is not to make a ton of money, it's to bring in revenue that makes a dent in operating expenses.
But keep on with the doom and gloom predictions, if you stay on that course, at some point in life you will be right, just like a stopped clock, it's right twice a day.
But hey, you have lots of formal education, so must know much more than any of us.
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Re: Airline Demand.
How's that $200/barrel oil prediction working out for you?
I've been hearing that the sky is falling since 2020, and yet quarter after quarter the recession gets pushed back a little further. Now it's going to happen in Q1 2024, for sure, absolutely, definitely, maybe...
I've been hearing that the sky is falling since 2020, and yet quarter after quarter the recession gets pushed back a little further. Now it's going to happen in Q1 2024, for sure, absolutely, definitely, maybe...
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Keep going. Interesting responses since I only posted I saw 2 sales. I haven’t expressed any economic conclusions.Stratopaused wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:00 pm How's that $200/barrel oil prediction working out for you?
I've been hearing that the sky is falling since 2020, and yet quarter after quarter the recession gets pushed back a little further. Now it's going to happen in Q1 2024, for sure, absolutely, definitely, maybe...
And everyone I read quoted in the US government is calling for a soft landing, so unless you read Zeroedge, I have no idea who is saying different.
Oil? Thanks for reminding me, sport. What’s your call?
Who knows, but it’s phenomenally strong considering all they have done and tried to do, to hold it down, and China’s anemic economy, and the strong US dollar.
In many other currencies, oil is much, much higher. But whatever.
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Honestly I’ve never seen such busy loads at the end of September as we have had this year, not sure if others are noticing the same.
Normally right now is relatively slow and lighter loads
Normally right now is relatively slow and lighter loads
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Re: Airline Demand.
goldeneagle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:20 pm
But keep on with the doom and gloom predictions, if you stay on that course, at some point in life you will be right, just like a stopped clock, it's right twice a day.
I brought this exact point up to Rookie, I believe it was last year. He finally gave his prediction after skirting around it for a while. Needless to say, he was wrong.
But just like you said. When the next downturn comes, he'll gleefully come around with an "I told you so". Conveniently ignoring the fact that he's been a broken record for years.
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Re: Airline Demand.
Why the sales then? Even on points flying? Never seen that before.
Maybe Pelmet is right.
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Actually no. I am not making any conclusions here. Just asking questions of folks in a major service industry.Tbayer2021 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:20 pmgoldeneagle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:20 pm
But keep on with the doom and gloom predictions, if you stay on that course, at some point in life you will be right, just like a stopped clock, it's right twice a day.
I brought this exact point up to Rookie, I believe it was last year. He finally gave his prediction after skirting around it for a while. Needless to say, he was wrong.
But just like you said. When the next downturn comes, he'll gleefully come around with an "I told you so". Conveniently ignoring the fact that he's been a broken record for years.
That ok with you, Tbayer?
I’m not even posting in your private airline forums, so try not to get your panties in a bunch.
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Sales in shoulder season, who would have thought? I highly recommend Mexico in September or London in November.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:27 am I’ve received two separate, aggressive AC sale offers in my inbox within the last week.
Draw your own conclusions. It confirms what I am seeing elsewhere.
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Sure. But these both run right through to next year, and also with points, made me....curious.‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:01 pmSales in shoulder season, who would have thought? I highly recommend Mexico in September or London in November.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:27 am I’ve received two separate, aggressive AC sale offers in my inbox within the last week.
Draw your own conclusions. It confirms what I am seeing elsewhere.
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Of course I am right.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:21 pmWhy the sales then? Even on points flying? Never seen that before.
Maybe Pelmet is right.
Just like they want to fly out of the island more often....until about a year after Porter shuts down.
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Curious, what is an aggressive sale?
Is it really cheap pricing or do they threaten you to buy stuff?
Is it really cheap pricing or do they threaten you to buy stuff?
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Weren’t you saying oil would be $200? Glass houses and all that jazzrookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:32 pmI have no idea for sure what will happen — though The jokes from the peanut gallery are usually a reliable indicator, too.goldeneagle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:20 pm You can read into it whatever you want. It has been my experience over many years, most operations that sell travel will market aggressively to sell space during shoulder seasons. Want to do a cheap Alaska cruise, book in April or later in September. Want to go in the peak season, book in July and pay nigh on 3x the price for the same cabin.
The goal in the shoulder season is not to make a ton of money, it's to bring in revenue that makes a dent in operating expenses.
But keep on with the doom and gloom predictions, if you stay on that course, at some point in life you will be right, just like a stopped clock, it's right twice a day.
But hey, you have lots of formal education, so must know much more than any of us.![]()
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What’s your call, PermanentlyGrounded? On anything? Is there a coherent thought anywhere out there on this thread besides Pelmet’s?newlygrounded wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 pmWeren’t you saying oil would be $200? Glass houses and all that jazzrookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:32 pmI have no idea for sure what will happen — though The jokes from the peanut gallery are usually a reliable indicator, too.goldeneagle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:20 pm You can read into it whatever you want. It has been my experience over many years, most operations that sell travel will market aggressively to sell space during shoulder seasons. Want to do a cheap Alaska cruise, book in April or later in September. Want to go in the peak season, book in July and pay nigh on 3x the price for the same cabin.
The goal in the shoulder season is not to make a ton of money, it's to bring in revenue that makes a dent in operating expenses.
But keep on with the doom and gloom predictions, if you stay on that course, at some point in life you will be right, just like a stopped clock, it's right twice a day.
But hey, you have lots of formal education, so must know much more than any of us.![]()
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As a frequent deadhead(ing) airline pilot, I've never seen domestic flights so packed as they currently are. This is on AC and WJ domestic. They don't seem to be having any problem selling seats. No idea about international loads. Purely an observation, I offer no opinion on the current or future state of the economy.
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Interesting time for sure. I can echo what others have said about flights being fuller than I can remember going into the shoulder season; not to mention how busy the entire summer was.
Pent up demand? Continuation of previous growth estimates inline with population and economic growth? Combination of both?
With my crystal ball, I'll predict a slow down at some point, but I also believe that the industry writ large and travel demand have grown compared to pre pandemic. In other words, we're still in a sort of super cycle, but baseline demand has also grown.
I think it's basically going to be this way until one day in the future (decades away?) when the price of oil/whatever carbon pricing scheme is in place makes it no longer feasible for the majority of middle and upper class Canadians. But, we will likely have hydrogen airliners in full swing replacing the current global fleet.
There's all the crystal balls I have.
Pent up demand? Continuation of previous growth estimates inline with population and economic growth? Combination of both?
With my crystal ball, I'll predict a slow down at some point, but I also believe that the industry writ large and travel demand have grown compared to pre pandemic. In other words, we're still in a sort of super cycle, but baseline demand has also grown.
I think it's basically going to be this way until one day in the future (decades away?) when the price of oil/whatever carbon pricing scheme is in place makes it no longer feasible for the majority of middle and upper class Canadians. But, we will likely have hydrogen airliners in full swing replacing the current global fleet.
There's all the crystal balls I have.
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Loss of time and effort to try and slow that massive expansion plan.
Porter is aggressive. BD and MD have always had the right timing and been a thorn for AC. Fare prices/sales won’t do anything.
The amount of slots AC and WJ have given up in the west and east respectively is insane.
Porter currently has 18 E2s. 72 more will be coming.
Edit : apparently I can’t do math. 82 more coming
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But circling back. Airlines always offer sales at the opportunities they need. It’s all market strategies based on the product they offer. Europe in the summer, south in the winter. This isn’t new.
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Yes, I just received many emails in the past two weeks from Porter advertising some fairly low pricing, they must be doing very poorly to be so aggressive!(Sarcasm)CaptDukeNukem wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:29 pm But circling back. Airlines always offer sales at the opportunities they need. It’s all market strategies based on the product they offer. Europe in the summer, south in the winter. This isn’t new.
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What’s your oil call? Crickets, so far.Stratopaused wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:00 pm How's that $200/barrel oil prediction working out for you?
I've been hearing that the sky is falling since 2020, and yet quarter after quarter the recession gets pushed back a little further. Now it's going to happen in Q1 2024, for sure, absolutely, definitely, maybe...
The CEO of continental says 150 +.
Sure you all know more though than one of the biggest US shale companies.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ent=energy
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I love the responses. Tells me a lot. Seriously .cdnavater wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 10:03 amYes, I just received many emails in the past two weeks from Porter advertising some fairly low pricing, they must be doing very poorly to be so aggressive!(Sarcasm)CaptDukeNukem wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:29 pm But circling back. Airlines always offer sales at the opportunities they need. It’s all market strategies based on the product they offer. Europe in the summer, south in the winter. This isn’t new.
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What EXACTLY does it tell you?rookiepilot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 10:51 amI love the responses. Tells me a lot. Seriously .cdnavater wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 10:03 amYes, I just received many emails in the past two weeks from Porter advertising some fairly low pricing, they must be doing very poorly to be so aggressive!(Sarcasm)CaptDukeNukem wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:29 pm But circling back. Airlines always offer sales at the opportunities they need. It’s all market strategies based on the product they offer. Europe in the summer, south in the winter. This isn’t new.
This is your original post,
“I’ve received two separate, aggressive AC sale offers in my inbox within the last week.
Draw your own conclusions. It confirms what I am seeing elsewhere.”
You seem to be implying something without saying ANYTHING at all, that’s your modus operendi, make a statement, imply something negative and when criticized get defensive, that is rookie described in one sentence.
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You’re an immature clown, instead of trying to learn something with humility?
This is why you will ALWAYS work for someone else, dude.
I didn’t take any shots at you, here. Just responding.