E2

[rtpilot]

If anyone has time on other jets and are currently flying the E2, whar are your impressions compared? The good bad and ugly. I know, love the one your with.
Thanks.
RT

[cjp]

If anyone has time on other jets and are currently flying the E2, whar are your impressions compared? The good bad and ugly. I know, love the one your with.
Thanks.
RT

Good bird. Highly automated, which makes life easy.

Porter has used a lot of complicated SOPs initially to exceed Transports requirements, but goodness, it's a simple, well rounded bird to fly, particularly with the fly by wire.

Hardest part is dealing with the occasional electrical gremlins that have always plagued Embraer jets. That said, most problems are fixed with a 20 minute ground reset.

[CaptDukeNukem]

If anyone has time on other jets and are currently flying the E2, whar are your impressions compared? The good bad and ugly. I know, love the one your with.
Thanks.
RT

Good bird. Highly automated, which makes life easy.

Porter has used a lot of complicated SOPs initially to exceed Transports requirements, but goodness, it's a simple, well rounded bird to fly, particularly with the fly by wire.

Hardest part is dealing with the occasional electrical gremlins that have always plagued Embraer jets. That said, most problems are fixed with a 20 minute ground reset.

E : every
M : mechanical
B : breakdown
R : requires
A : an
E : electrical
R : reset

[cjp]

If anyone has time on other jets and are currently flying the E2, whar are your impressions compared? The good bad and ugly. I know, love the one your with.
Thanks.
RT

Good bird. Highly automated, which makes life easy.

Porter has used a lot of complicated SOPs initially to exceed Transports requirements, but goodness, it's a simple, well rounded bird to fly, particularly with the fly by wire.

Hardest part is dealing with the occasional electrical gremlins that have always plagued Embraer jets. That said, most problems are fixed with a 20 minute ground reset.

E : every
M : mechanical
B : breakdown
R : requires
A : an
E : electrical
R : reset

Day 1, minute 1 of ground school.

[Chaxterium]

I love it. It's my first Embraer. The automation is very good. Cockpit layout is very nice. My only gripe is the descent planning from the FMS. The new EPIC load is better but it can't do idle descents at all. It's always overspeeding. Some pilots put in fake winds, some just descend with the speed brakes extended for the entire descent.

Other than that it's great. V1 cuts are a dream. Emergencies are pretty simple.

[DanWEC]

I've performed the Embrear 180 more than a few times!

Is the new generation also a windows based, pentium system? (The guys who have seen the displays go blue screen know exactly what I'm talking about.)

I'd be curious about 2 things from guys who fly the E2 as well;

Does enabling anti-ice on descent still completely beef the decent profile?
How is the on-centre aileron control? There is an annoying springiness at centre on the 175/195 which made small corrections while hand flying a little cumbersome.

[cjp]

I've performed the Embrear 180 more than a few times!

Is the new generation also a windows based, pentium system? (The guys who have seen the displays go blue screen know exactly what I'm talking about.)

I'd be curious about 2 things from guys who fly the E2 as well;

Does enabling anti-ice on descent still completely beef the decent profile?
How is the on-centre aileron control? There is an annoying springiness at centre on the 175/195 which made small corrections while hand flying a little cumbersome.

Same yoke, different fly by wire system. The yoke is completely still during autopilot operation. The control feel is very responsive for a 62T jet. I don't find it necessarily overly twitchy.

I think I heard some of the E1 guys trying this at previous operators - but have yet to try this myself in the E2. PTH descents used to be a challenge during LID, but I've found small adjustments in energy during that TOD portion that assist in the descent management of the jet without sandbaging the avionics, and nooo its not hitting DES Now 30 miles prior to TOD

[WF9F]

I love it. It's my first Embraer. The automation is very good. Cockpit layout is very nice. My only gripe is the descent planning from the FMS. The new EPIC load is better but it can't do idle descents at all. It's always overspeeding. Some pilots put in fake winds, some just descend with the speed brakes extended for the entire descent.

Other than that it's great. V1 cuts are a dream. Emergencies are pretty simple.

When you fly jets you’ll ALWAYS have to use speed brakes. On decent when I flew it we would very often have to make a point just before a restriction (10,000 etc.) in order to get it to slow and decend in order to meet the fix/restriction.
And always try to decend a little before TOD.

[nohojob]

Always?

[cjp]

I love it. It's my first Embraer. The automation is very good. Cockpit layout is very nice. My only gripe is the descent planning from the FMS. The new EPIC load is better but it can't do idle descents at all. It's always overspeeding. Some pilots put in fake winds, some just descend with the speed brakes extended for the entire descent.

Other than that it's great. V1 cuts are a dream. Emergencies are pretty simple.

When you fly jets you’ll ALWAYS have to use speed brakes. On decent when I flew it we would very often have to make a point just before a restriction (10,000 etc.) in order to get it to slow and decend in order to meet the fix/restriction.
And always try to decend a little before TOD.

Most jet aircraft don't need to rely on speedbrakes for descent. That said there are a number of factors, particularly with the E2 that cause pilots to rely on them a little more than normal.

One is the aggressiveness of the cost indexing with fairly steep descent angles (nearing 4 degrees), and the other is the slender and dainty design of the E2 making it very slippery requiring occasional assistance at STAR gates.

Good thing is the 'massagers' are fairly gentle as long as you don't grab a fistful of boards.

[M. Essaie]

"Jets always need speedbrakes"..... I bet your training department doesn't agree with you.

Re the 195 being slippery, the facts don't bear that out. Just looking at the manual for the E with the 777-300ER manual alongside, it looks like the Boeing needs another 35 miles to get down from 350 whilst descending at a speed 30 knots greater.

[Chaxterium]

When you fly jets you’ll ALWAYS have to use speed brakes. On decent when I flew it we would very often have to make a point just before a restriction (10,000 etc.) in order to get it to slow and decend in order to meet the fix/restriction.
And always try to decend a little before TOD.

I've been flying jets for years and I've never needed speed brakes in the descent like this. In my previous jets as long as the descent was planned correctly then the descent at idle thrust was usually pretty good. Speed brakes were typically only needed if the anti-ice was needed unexpectedly or if ATC kept us high.

In the Embraer however it's different. Even with proper planning speed brakes are still needed quite often.

[nohojob]

When you fly jets you’ll ALWAYS have to use speed brakes. On decent when I flew it we would very often have to make a point just before a restriction (10,000 etc.) in order to get it to slow and decend in order to meet the fix/restriction.
And always try to decend a little before TOD.

I've been flying jets for years and I've never needed speed brakes in the descent like this. In my previous jets as long as the descent was planned correctly then the descent at idle thrust was usually pretty good. Speed brakes were typically only needed if the anti-ice was needed unexpectedly or if ATC kept us high.

In the Embraer however it's different. Even with proper planning speed brakes are still needed quite often.

That makes more sense, I was suprised by the blanket statement. The one I fly requires speed brake occasionaly and even then, one could also increase the speed, use flaps as appropriate, drop the gears if you're close enough to landing, use vertical speed to help slowing before 10000...side slip (just kidding).

[Chaxterium]

That makes more sense, I was suprised by the blanket statement. The one I fly requires speed brake occasionaly and even then, one could also increase the speed, use flaps as appropriate, drop the gears if you're close enough to landing, use vertical speed to help slowing before 10000...side slip (just kidding).

Yeah I don't know what the guy I responded to is talking about. If you ALWAYS need speed brakes then you're doing it wrong.

Except on the E2!

[cjp]

"Jets always need speedbrakes"..... I bet your training department doesn't agree with you.

Re the 195 being slippery, the facts don't bear that out. Just looking at the manual for the E with the 777-300ER manual alongside, it looks like the Boeing needs another 35 miles to get down from 350 whilst descending at a speed 30 knots greater.

Different weights by a factor of 5-7, different manufacturer, different engines. Not necessarily apples to apples.

The flight crews joining us from previous large aircraft (777, 747, A340, 330) all are a little weary of high altitude descents with the current setup on the E2. They all migrated to their own strategies to get a smooth descent, but even then some of them have said it was challenging to slow down initially without the boards.

Numbers are great in a book, but they don't always tell the full story.

Personally I think its just the Load we have on there now, which is a chiller load than we had initially, but still fairly very efficient to say the least.

[WF9F]

That makes more sense, I was suprised by the blanket statement. The one I fly requires speed brake occasionaly and even then, one could also increase the speed, use flaps as appropriate, drop the gears if you're close enough to landing, use vertical speed to help slowing before 10000...side slip (just kidding).

Yeah I don't know what the guy I responded to is talking about. If you ALWAYS need speed brakes then you're doing it wrong.

Except on the E2!

If you don’t know what I’m talking about then that’s your problem. ALWAYS doesn’t mean every leg their sport ….I’ve been flying jets for probably as long as you’ve been flying or longer so I’ll stand by my comment.

[WF9F]

"Jets always need speedbrakes"..... I bet your training department doesn't agree with you.

Re the 195 being slippery, the facts don't bear that out. Just looking at the manual for the E with the 777-300ER manual alongside, it looks like the Boeing needs another 35 miles to get down from 350 whilst descending at a speed 30 knots greater.

You fly jets hotshot? You’re so good I’ll bet you never use them and you also think it’s failure if you do…
I’ll bet you have no idea what you’re talking about.

[digits_]

That makes more sense, I was suprised by the blanket statement. The one I fly requires speed brake occasionaly and even then, one could also increase the speed, use flaps as appropriate, drop the gears if you're close enough to landing, use vertical speed to help slowing before 10000...side slip (just kidding).

Yeah I don't know what the guy I responded to is talking about. If you ALWAYS need speed brakes then you're doing it wrong.

Except on the E2!

If you don’t know what I’m talking about then that’s your problem. ALWAYS doesn’t mean every leg their sport ….I’ve been flying jets for probably as long as you’ve been flying or longer so I’ll stand by my comment.

I don't think 'ALWAYS' means what you think it means...

[WF9F]

While the few Top Guns here pick apart grammar….back to the E2.

I think it could be the Vnav not being as good compared to others. After flying Boeing and Airbus the Vnav on these seem to be able to calculate the decent much better and don’t require the use of speed brakes as much or the building of points before alt/speed restrictions.
Is the printer still a problem? On the E190 it was hit or miss and required lots of resets ….hopefully the new software fixes that

[Chaxterium]

ALWAYS doesn’t mean every leg their sport

AL·WAYS
/ˈôlˌwāz/
adverb
1. at all times; on all occasions.

You said always. In this context that literally means every leg. If you don't understand how words work that's your problem.

[Chaxterium]

I think it could be the Vnav not being as good compared to others. After flying Boeing and Airbus the Vnav on these seem to be able to calculate the decent much better and don’t require the use of speed brakes as much or the building of points before alt/speed restrictions.
Is the printer still a problem? On the E190 it was hit or miss and required lots of resets ….hopefully the new software fixes that

The Boeing was fantastic with VNAV. To be honest it seems like the software for the 195 is based on the 190 with how bad it is. The new Epic load 9.0 seems to be better. I think anyway. Some find no difference.

Is the printer still a problem? On the E190 it was hit or miss and required lots of resets ….hopefully the new software fixes that

Doesn't seem to be. I haven't had any issues with it yet.

[CaptDukeNukem]

While the few Top Guns here pick apart grammar….back to the E2.

I think it could be the Vnav not being as good compared to others. After flying Boeing and Airbus the Vnav on these seem to be able to calculate the decent much better and don’t require the use of speed brakes as much or the building of points before alt/speed restrictions.
Is the printer still a problem? On the E190 it was hit or miss and required lots of resets ….hopefully the new software fixes that

Completely different printer. Much nicer. No issues.

[PropDog]

"Jets always need speedbrakes"..... I bet your training department doesn't agree with you.

Re the 195 being slippery, the facts don't bear that out. Just looking at the manual for the E with the 777-300ER manual alongside, it looks like the Boeing needs another 35 miles to get down from 350 whilst descending at a speed 30 knots greater.

Okay so I’ve never flown a jet before so near with me. Is speedbrake use on a jet hard on the airplane or frowned upon? I always thought in a slippery aircraft like a jet it was use as required. I guess comparing to something I know it’s not like we put props to full fine on every descent just because we can, as long as you plan ahead.

[PropDog]

When you fly jets you’ll ALWAYS have to use speed brakes. On decent when I flew it we would very often have to make a point just before a restriction (10,000 etc.) in order to get it to slow and decend in order to meet the fix/restriction.
And always try to decend a little before TOD.

I've been flying jets for years and I've never needed speed brakes in the descent like this. In my previous jets as long as the descent was planned correctly then the descent at idle thrust was usually pretty good. Speed brakes were typically only needed if the anti-ice was needed unexpectedly or if ATC kept us high.

In the Embraer however it's different. Even with proper planning speed brakes are still needed quite often.

In a jet why does anti ice make the airplane require speed brakes when the engines are at idle?

[Chaxterium]

Okay so I’ve never flown a jet before so near with me. Is speedbrake use on a jet hard on the airplane or frowned upon? I always thought in a slippery aircraft like a jet it was use as required. I guess comparing to something I know it’s not like we put props to full fine on every descent just because we can, as long as you plan ahead.

There are some pilots who don't like the use of speed brakes. But those pilots are idiots. If you need them, use them. That said, I certainly try to plan my descents so that I don't have to use them. It's more efficient. But if I need them, or if my FO needs them, go nuts. They are a tool to be used.