C1 Pass Petition Making the Rounds

Airband · Post by **Airband** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:03 am

FYI for those AC employees who would like to see the C1 pass abolished, you can sign the online petition below. The issue, as some see it, revolves around the buying of seniority.

http://www.petitiononline.com/C1nono/petition.html

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tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:13 pm

The c1 is available to senior people at the same price as the junior people. It's a fair system for all. Get over it. Stop your Whyning. This pass was developed to give us J class. The seniority is not the focus. I have witnessed buddies of the agents get the better deal. This is wrong. The c1 solves the problem. Period.

Airband · Post by **Airband** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:46 pm

It's an FYI ya fucking goof. Go lecture the petitioner.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:32 pm

FYI.Bullshit. This is a movement to abolish the c1. I ain't buyig what you're selling, fuckhole.

Airband · Post by **Airband** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:41 pm

Suit yourself. Actually I like having the option and see no problem with the C1's.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:38 pm

Airband wrote:Suit yourself. Actually I like having the option and see no problem with the C1's.

You fuckin moron.

Airband · Post by **Airband** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:59 pm

Temper, temper toni.

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:11 pm

Dude. You're supposed to split the pills in half.

Pratt X 3 · Post by **Pratt X 3** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:06 pm

A perfect illustration of why not everyone wants to work for Air Canada.

q400 · Post by **q400** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:23 pm

For anyone who likes to travel internationally the C1 is the only was to go. It is not a matter of buying seniority but rather travelling in business class.

I do not think the C1 is the problem but rather the amount that the company charges us to travel.....

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:30 am

Pratt X 3 wrote:A perfect illustration of why not everyone wants to work for Air Canada.

Ya we don't believe in holding hands and singing Cumbaya so that makes us a bad outfit. Get real, pal.

popo · Post by **popo** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:54 am

I agree with Q400 and toni...
C1 has nothing to do with Seniority... skipping seniority by buying C1 has been taking care off, by no being able to book with less than 24h notice.

what the Fu.. with people trying to shoot themself in the foot ?and then they bitch and complain,

C1 allow you to have a nice flight while going oversea!!
hey what about we sign a petition about not having passes at all?
give your head a shake.

Airband · Post by **Airband** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:44 am

popo wrote: what the Fu.. with people trying to shoot themself in the foot ?and then they bitch and complain...

Recognize some of the names on the petition - they were whining cows 30 years ago. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

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tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:12 am

Airband.
You're thinking what I thought all along. I told one of them that c1 still gives them more seniority over me. They just don't want to spend the extra money because hey, they would get J class anyway.

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:58 pm

I think the C1 pass needs to be somehow changed because it has some problems.

1) C1 does not guarantee you will get a seat in business class. Many times I have used a C1 pass and had to sit in the back. I usually bought the C1 in order to have business class on a long flight. Even with lots of seats available in the front and back, last minute upgrades or bookings can fill up the front.

2) If there are many cons trying to get on a flight, and they all pay for the C1 to get the increased boarding priority, then we are back where we started. Only now the company gets more money for basically doing nothing. Especially if most or all of those C1's end up sitting in the back.

Canadian Airlines used to have a system where you could pay extra for a business class upgrade. It had nothing to do with boarding priority and you didn't get billed for it if the front was full and you ended up in economy.

mduffy · Post by **mduffy** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:03 pm

I agree that on heavy routes, everyone will buy them leading to everyone paying more money to travel to the same place.

However, I have a bigger problem with the notion of a new hire employee buying his/her way onto a flight ahead of a reitred employee with 35 years of service you is living on a fixed income.

Long Keel · Post by **Long Keel** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:20 am

mduffy wrote:I agree that on heavy routes, everyone will buy them leading to everyone paying more money to travel to the same place.

However, I have a bigger problem with the notion of a new hire employee buying his/her way onto a flight ahead of a reitred employee with 35 years of service you is living on a fixed income.

Well,

Fixed incomes for most retirees far exceeds what a new hire employee earns, the retiree should be mortgage free and kids out of the house so again I fail to see the problem.

Retired, 60-110k pension, no mortgage, no income loss if getting home late; verus 37k, kids, mortgage, income or career loss if not home on time. Its a no brainer who needs the help.

This is a great system. I use it once a year on our "big" vacation to treat ourselves versus going full fare. You only get 4x per year and most don't use it that many times. This petition is a joke made by those that can't stand sharing the toys in the box with anyone but the gray haired set.

If one has thirty years here, it would be nice to have thirty good ones instead of ten bad, ten so-so, and ten great.

Now someone please swear at me repeatedly to tell me why I'm wrong.

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:29 am

I use it once a year on our "big" vacation to treat ourselves versus going full fare.

You say you use it once a year to treat yourself. Treat yourself to what? I presume you mean getting a business class seat.

How would you feel if you paid for the C1 but still ended up in the back?

I have used the C1 pass about 8 times and I have mixed feelings about them. I like the idea of paying for a business class upgrade and getting increased boarding priority. But I sure don't like sitting in the back after having paid for a C1 pass. It happens more often than you think.

You may say "Well so what, at least you got a better boarding priority". Every time I have used the C1's, boarding priority was not a factor.

Once, nobody got on because the flight was full of revenue passengers.

Every other time I used it, the flight left with open seats in the back. Three of those times I was stuck in the back with some open seats around me.

In the end, I would not like to lose the C1's, but there has to be a better way to make it more workable.

interested · Post by **interested** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:56 am

Signature 1056.....I am sure they will be taking this seriously.....

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:59 am

Lost.
I think some common sense would tell you that if the loads show full in "J" you won't spend the extra cash. There is risk involved, no doubt but you can reduce it with a little homework. And if you really have to go, the C1 does give you better priority. The company has created this monster as it's the only way to get J class outside of some sales agent doing you a favour (the seniors work this really well). That's the problem I have with the old system. The agent decided in many cases who got what. Now, if space is available, C1 gets it before C2. There is less chance of screwing with the system but I'm sure some stuff still goes on. I'm in favour of the C1 fare even though it costs considerably more but that cost is the same for everyone. Fair enough?

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:21 am

The 3 times I got stuck in the back, the Employee Travel website showed seats available in "J". The problem is that those J seats can fill up at the last minute with revenue passengers and Elite upgrades.

I would be happy to see a change where you would not be charged if you didn't get the J seat, and/or you din't need the increased priority. (because the A/C left with open seats).

But, I would be very unhappy if the company just scraps the whole thing because of this petition.

Beech18s · Post by **Beech18s** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:05 am

C1 passes are a good thing. Just because some employees are frustrated commuters/travellers is no reason to abolish them. It is a great privelege to be able to live where you want and still work a considerable distance away. Plan accordingly. However, it isn't necessarily a god-given right to enjoy that privelege. C1 is not perfect, but it can be very handy. And, contrary to some people's opinion, it is fair. It may be extra $ but it's still far cheaper than buying a regular ticket.

The priveleges we enjoy at work are the result of hard work by those who came before us, whether via union struggle or otherwise, and great diligence should be excercised before petitions like these make the rounds, lest we should lose more than we bargained for.

Have a good one...

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:23 am

Tony,

Funny you mention the senior thing. My dad is retired (not a pilot) and dresses well when he travels on my passes. He gets upgraded more than I do!

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:31 am

Hey Bede, your Dad's got it right. Dress well and shmooze up the lady agents. I wish it worked for me. They only give me that loser look.