Emirates road show July 14-20 … an alternative to AC?

[Canadianpilot2024]

If you’re looking for something to compare to as a legitimate option contract wise when it’s time to vote or career wise if you aren’t satisfied with the new Air Canada contract come September, there is a Emirates road show July 14-20 in various cities across Canada for anyone who might be interested.

See attached.

[lownslow]

Don’t forget to get your logbook certified. Be prepared AND let ‘em know you’re shopping around.

[Eric Janson]

Always good to see what is on offer.

Make sure you do your research if you are seriously considering this. There's enough information out there to get a good picture of how things are.

My personal opinion:-

Don't give up a stable job in your home country to become an Expat.

[Daniel Cooper]

I'm out of here if we don't get a fair deal. I don't need much more to retire early and do something else. One short tour of duty would set me up even better. Overseas, as a career, though has changed in my mind after COVID and seeing all the expats thrown to the curb.

[Anticyclone]

They gonna probably send a fellow Canadian who's been there for 20 years and who might have fallen into the trap*, he's gonna tell you how wonderful life is there and how deep your pocket might get.

I'm not saying it's not something to consider just do your homework meticulously.

* Trap: Getting married to a cabin crew that does not want to give up her pro's after resigning.

[Stu Pidasso]

Talk to someone who worked for that outfit, I would rather fly a beaver on floats.

Take a look at how they (and Cathay) treated their Pilots during Covid, completely despicable. Your career at Emirates is only secure to your next sim session and they are famous for downgrading Captains to F/O in the sunset of your time there.

[DanWEC]

Anyone here with any experience to share at Etihad?

[bcflyer]

Lots of info on Middle East airlines on PPrune. Like all forums you need to sift through a lot of posts to get at it, but it’s there.

[Stable_Approach]

Anyone here with any experience to share at Etihad?

I know someone that left Etihad for Emirates due to slow career progression pre-COVID.
Another former college mate was at Cathay for almost a decade living in the UK. They closed their foreign bases, forced everyone to relocate to HK and then cut the housing allowance. Post Covid he left for Emirates. While it's no picnic there it's much better than Cathay which he said had become a disorganized mess. He left Canada to chase the money and metal but from the sounds of it he'd come back to Canada if he didn't have to start from beginning, he's a 777 captain now.

[Anticyclone]

Anyone here with any experience to share at Etihad?

Etihad is grabbing anyone with bus time fo's and dec's alike. upgrades on the bus is very fast and it's gonna become even faster.
Boeing on the other hand they only take fo's, upgrade is..............but things could change soon as EY is planning to double the size withing 5 years.

bcflyer is right, more infos on pprune.

Hope that helps.

[Eric Janson]

One more thing nobody has really mentioned but it's important.

What is your next step after Emirates? This is an Expat position - not a career.

If you want to stay Captain then most likely it will be another Expat job.

There is no realistic way back if you take this step unless you're happy being at the bottom of a long seniority list.

Too many people focus solely on the money which is a mistake imho.

[Stable_Approach]

Quite a few EK and EY captains have found their way into DEC jobs (Cargojet, Flair, etc).

[cdnavater]

Quite a few EK and EY captains have found their way into DEC jobs (Cargojet, Flair, etc).

I don’t understand, are you saying this as a good thing?
Swoop as an example probably had a few and those positions were created and did the job of bargaining capital for the company, so expats coming home and “skipping” the line to DEC of bottom feeder airlines is not a good thing!

[itsgrosswhatinet]

What is your next step after Emirates?

Early retirement.

[theacolyte]

Quite a few EK and EY captains have found their way into DEC jobs (Cargojet, Flair, etc).

I don’t understand, are you saying this as a good thing?
Swoop as an example probably had a few and those positions were created and did the job of bargaining capital for the company, so expats coming home and “skipping” the line to DEC of bottom feeder airlines is not a good thing!

I mean, if they enjoy it who cares?

Guys probably have a few million in the bank by 45. More than any of us flying in Canada will ever see, then go have some fun in a more chill job and let your money grow until YOU decide to retire.

[Stable_Approach]

Quite a few EK and EY captains have found their way into DEC jobs (Cargojet, Flair, etc).

I don’t understand, are you saying this as a good thing?
Swoop as an example probably had a few and those positions were created and did the job of bargaining capital for the company, so expats coming home and “skipping” the line to DEC of bottom feeder airlines is not a good thing!

I’m answering to previous commenter who stated there are no DEC jobs in Canada for expats. You then began drivelling on about Swoop. People return home for different reasons are you implying gate-keeper they should have all accepted the ‘bottom-feeder’ start pay at AC? Even captain pay at AC would be considered bottom-feeder to an EK captain.

[cdnavater]

Quite a few EK and EY captains have found their way into DEC jobs (Cargojet, Flair, etc).

I don’t understand, are you saying this as a good thing?
Swoop as an example probably had a few and those positions were created and did the job of bargaining capital for the company, so expats coming home and “skipping” the line to DEC of bottom feeder airlines is not a good thing!

I’m answering to previous commenter who stated there are no DEC jobs in Canada for expats. You then began drivelling on about Swoop. People return home for different reasons are you implying gate-keeper they should have all accepted the ‘bottom-feeder’ start pay at AC? Even captain pay at AC would be considered bottom-feeder to an EK captain.

Drivelling? Do you have any idea the effect the DEC captains at shit pay have on the negotiations, I guess you could ask any WJ pilot what they think about expats coming home and jumping the line, I suspect you’d get an earful.
Flair et al, even Jazz or AC would have to pay more if people stop accepting the shit pay because they can; I’ve been personally affected by pilots undercutting other pilots and I’ve benefited from pilots not applying due to a better paying job across the street.

[2112]

Nobody's lowering the bar by coming back DEC after a stint in the sandbox. We've already ensured the bar is plenty low enough on our own thanks to decades of concessions and shit contracts. If someone wants to head east to get rich quick and then take a twilight job back home afterwards, good for them. The industry in this country is the way it is because we allow it to be.

[vanislepilot]

People hating on the expats wayyyyy too much. No ones skipping any lines going DEC at Flair or Porter.

I can see why it’s so appealing, you can have the worlds best flying and destinations, fly the newest and biggest, career progression is much quicker than here, very high salaries with no tax… But some of you are like “NooOooOooOoo you must suffer the ladder like the rest of us.” Some people, young especially have no interest in waiting decades to climb a seniority ladder and finally get the stuff they want… That stuff is much much more enjoyable in your 20s 30s… make some real money, good investments and head on back. You give and take in this world….

[cdnavater]

Nobody's lowering the bar by coming back DEC after a stint in the sandbox. We've already ensured the bar is plenty low enough on our own thanks to decades of concessions and shit contracts. If someone wants to head east to get rich quick and then take a twilight job back home afterwards, good for them. The industry in this country is the way it is because we allow it to be.

Not sure if you realize, your post is a contradiction, we’ve ensured the bar is low because we have stepped over others to get ahead, but it’s ok for someone to go make some money and come back and step over others!

[cdnavater]

People hating on the expats wayyyyy too much. No ones skipping any lines going DEC at Flair or Porter.

I can see why it’s so appealing, you can have the worlds best flying and destinations, fly the newest and biggest, career progression is much quicker than here, very high salaries with no tax… But some of you are like “NooOooOooOoo you must suffer the ladder like the rest of us.” Some people, young especially have no interest in waiting decades to climb a seniority ladder and finally get the stuff they want… That stuff is much much more enjoyable in your 20s 30s… make some real money, good investments and head on back. You give and take in this world….

Problem with society today is embodied in your entire post!
By the way, I don’t have a problem with taking a job at Porter, they raised the bar, it’s the ones that take the jobs that undercut I have a problem with. People don’t seem to care anymore how their actions affect others as long as you get yours and this saddens me.

[Anticyclone]

Let's imagine there were no expats returning home to accept DEC's at Flair, Cargo jet......How do you think those compagnies would've gotten their left seats filled??

In my humble opinion i believe that they would have contracted expats paying them shit load of money with 5 stars accommodations and the waiting line would've been skipped anyway.

[Red_Comet]

Talk to someone who worked for that outfit, I would rather fly a beaver on floats.

Take a look at how they (and Cathay) treated their Pilots during Covid, completely despicable. Your career at Emirates is only secure to your next sim session and they are famous for downgrading Captains to F/O in the sunset of your time there.

Can you elaborate on this? Emirates downgrades captains to FO at a certain age? I have seen ME carriers put age restrictions on their applicants, which was always a huge red flag to me because it meant it was not a career destination, just a place where they worked young/single pilots to the bone and tossed them out once they aged out. Would be very curious to hear more about these practices.

[Red_Comet]

--double post

[cdnavater]

Let's imagine there were no expats returning home to accept DEC's at Flair, Cargo jet......How do you think those compagnies would've gotten their left seats filled??

In my humble opinion i believe that they would have contracted expats paying them shit load of money with 5 stars accommodations and the waiting line would've been skipped anyway.

They can’t just contract pilots and to be clear an Expat is a Canadian with the right to live and work here, if no one took the jobs at the conditions they would have to improve the pay and conditions!
What benefits would it be to contract at shit loads of money instead of just paying shit loads of money for employees, I don’t get your logic here!