Air Canada compared to United, by the numbers.

[DanWEC]

I had a little free time today so I decided to compare some hard numbers between where AC is compared to where they've been in the US the last few years. Let's start with executive compensation, since that should set the frame of reference.

Airline CEO salaries 2022:

American Airlines, Doug Parker: $14.9 million.
Delta Air Lines, Ed Bastian: $15.1 million.
Southwest Airlines, Robert Jordan: $13.3 million.
United Airlines, Scott Kirby: $12.6 million.
Spirit Airlines , Ted Christie: 8.4 million.
Southwest Airlines, Robert Jordan: $13.3 million.
Alaska Airlines, Ben Minicucci: $9.8 million.
JetBlue Airways, Robin Hayes: $8.5 million.
Allegiant Air, Maurice Gallagher: $13.4 million.
Air Canada, Mike Rosseau, $12.4 million. (CDN)

Conclusively, the CEO of AC has a salary that directly, even generously, aligns with his US counterparts, unconverted dollar for dollar. This also hold true for the rest of the C-suite, executives, and directors.

Since this is clearly and sensibly the yardstick that they use to asses their own salaries, let’s take a look at the pay scales of the US airline with the closest CEO pay, and that’s United. They also have a diverse fleet, and along with the other majors, occupy a directly comparable legacy station as what Air Canada does domestically. Apples to apples. (Generously blended 50/50 day-night rate used for AC.)

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The difference is obviously mind boggling. You'll notice United still has a "relatively" low FO pay for the first 2 years, but it is is absolutely embarrassing what the comparative difference is. Suddenly 30-40% doesn't look like a pie-in-the-sky starting point, but rather a perfectly logical resolution, with more like 60-201% (!!!) increases required on the junior end.
Delta's payscales are identical to United, coincidence? No. Did you know most of the majors have a Snap-Up Clause? Whereas if another party matches their pay it automatically matches, and ratchets up by 1%. Incredible. Not to mention profit share of 10-20%.

I may or may not work at AC, but regardless I have a vested interest as, in my opinion, this is the single most important bargaining episode to affect Canadian pilots in decades, and it's importance and gravity can't be underestimated. This is the first time Air Canada, the flagship airline that is supposed to dictate and lead conditions in Canada, is renegotiating in an era of profits, a full pilot shortage, ALPA, US level executive compensation, and with strike power legally protected and un-neutered. It's essentially pioneering territory in recent memory.

These are what the numbers should be. This is a direct, lateral comparison, and if the corporation doesn't agree, ALPA should propose that they can accept an ironclad, career-length 40% reduction on all executive total compensation, then ALPA can negotiate accordingly. Since the execs have the burden of fiduciary responsibility in mind, they'd accept it, right? ..... Right?

The entire country is behind you guys 100%. This could make history.

Attached are the highlights and payscales of Delta's last contact for reference.

Edit- corrected the reference year to 2022

[goingnowherefast]

How do we make this the top link on a Google search?

[RippleRock]

The cupboard is FULL.


The Board of Directors approved this "United style" wage package for the Executives. It's up to us to convince them that we --will not stand-- to be regarded as "Third Class pilots" among our direct competitors.

Be the reason you can wear your hat proudly in that Customs/Security line among your fellow American aviators.

Stand up for what is right, or you --will be stood upon--



Hold the Line

[ashtray]

I had a little free time today so I decided to compare some hard numbers between where AC is compared to where they've been in the US the last few years. Let's start with executive compensation, since that should set the frame of reference.

Airline CEO salaries 2023:

American Airlines, Doug Parker: $14.9 million.
Delta Air Lines, Ed Bastian: $15.1 million.
Southwest Airlines, Robert Jordan: $13.3 million.
United Airlines, Scott Kirby: $12.6 million.
Spirit Airlines , Ted Christie: 8.4 million.
Southwest Airlines, Robert Jordan: $13.3 million.
Alaska Airlines, Ben Minicucci: $9.8 million.
JetBlue Airways, Robin Hayes: $8.5 million.
Allegiant Air, Maurice Gallagher: $13.4 million.
Air Canada, Mike Rosseau, $12.4 million. (CDN)

Conclusively, the CEO of AC has a salary that directly, even generously, aligns with his US counterparts, unconverted dollar for dollar. This also hold true for the rest of the C-suite, executives, and directors.

Since this is clearly and sensibly the yardstick that they use to asses their own salaries, let’s take a look at the pay scales of the US airline with the closest CEO pay, and that’s United. They also have a diverse fleet, and along with the other majors, occupy a directly comparable legacy station as what Air Canada does domestically. Apples to apples. (Generously blended 50/50 day-night rate used for AC.)

ACunited.jpg

The difference is obviously mind boggling. You'll notice United still has a "relatively" low FO pay for the first 2 years, but it is is absolutely embarrassing what the comparative difference is. Suddenly 30-40% doesn't look like a pie-in-the-sky starting point, but rather a perfectly logical resolution, with more like 60-201% (!!!) increases required on the junior end.
Delta's payscales are identical to United, coincidence? No. Did you know most of the majors have a Snap-Up Clause? Whereas if another party matches their pay it automatically matches, and ratchets up by 1%. Incredible. Not to mention profit share of 10-20%.

I may or may not work at AC, but regardless I have a vested interest as, in my opinion, this is the single most important bargaining episode to affect Canadian pilots in decades, and it's importance and gravity can't be underestimated. This is the first time Air Canada, the flagship airline that is supposed to dictate and lead conditions in Canada, is renegotiating in an era of profits, a full pilot shortage, ALPA, US level executive compensation, and with strike power legally protected and un-neutered. It's essentially pioneering territory in recent memory.

These are what the numbers should be. This is a direct, lateral comparison, and if the corporation doesn't agree, ALPA should propose that they can accept an ironclad, career-length 40% reduction on all executive total compensation, then ALPA can negotiate accordingly. Since the execs have the burden of fiduciary responsibility in mind, they'd accept it, right? ..... Right?

The entire country is behind you guys 100%. This could make history.

Attached are the highlights and payscales of Delta's last contact for reference.

Dan, Not sure where you got your data from but this is what I get, and verified it from other sources.

Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian earned $34.2 million in 2023
American Airlines CEO Robert Isom earned $31.4 million in 2023
United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby earned $18.6 million in 2023

Cheers!

[twa22]

I had a little free time today so I decided to compare some hard numbers between where AC is compared to where they've been in the US the last few years. Let's start with executive compensation, since that should set the frame of reference.

Airline CEO salaries 2023:

American Airlines, Doug Parker: $14.9 million.
Delta Air Lines, Ed Bastian: $15.1 million.
Southwest Airlines, Robert Jordan: $13.3 million.
United Airlines, Scott Kirby: $12.6 million.
Spirit Airlines , Ted Christie: 8.4 million.
Southwest Airlines, Robert Jordan: $13.3 million.
Alaska Airlines, Ben Minicucci: $9.8 million.
JetBlue Airways, Robin Hayes: $8.5 million.
Allegiant Air, Maurice Gallagher: $13.4 million.
Air Canada, Mike Rosseau, $12.4 million. (CDN)

Conclusively, the CEO of AC has a salary that directly, even generously, aligns with his US counterparts, unconverted dollar for dollar. This also hold true for the rest of the C-suite, executives, and directors.

Since this is clearly and sensibly the yardstick that they use to asses their own salaries, let’s take a look at the pay scales of the US airline with the closest CEO pay, and that’s United. They also have a diverse fleet, and along with the other majors, occupy a directly comparable legacy station as what Air Canada does domestically. Apples to apples. (Generously blended 50/50 day-night rate used for AC.)

ACunited.jpg

The difference is obviously mind boggling. You'll notice United still has a "relatively" low FO pay for the first 2 years, but it is is absolutely embarrassing what the comparative difference is. Suddenly 30-40% doesn't look like a pie-in-the-sky starting point, but rather a perfectly logical resolution, with more like 60-201% (!!!) increases required on the junior end.
Delta's payscales are identical to United, coincidence? No. Did you know most of the majors have a Snap-Up Clause? Whereas if another party matches their pay it automatically matches, and ratchets up by 1%. Incredible. Not to mention profit share of 10-20%.

I may or may not work at AC, but regardless I have a vested interest as, in my opinion, this is the single most important bargaining episode to affect Canadian pilots in decades, and it's importance and gravity can't be underestimated. This is the first time Air Canada, the flagship airline that is supposed to dictate and lead conditions in Canada, is renegotiating in an era of profits, a full pilot shortage, ALPA, US level executive compensation, and with strike power legally protected and un-neutered. It's essentially pioneering territory in recent memory.

These are what the numbers should be. This is a direct, lateral comparison, and if the corporation doesn't agree, ALPA should propose that they can accept an ironclad, career-length 40% reduction on all executive total compensation, then ALPA can negotiate accordingly. Since the execs have the burden of fiduciary responsibility in mind, they'd accept it, right? ..... Right?

The entire country is behind you guys 100%. This could make history.

Attached are the highlights and payscales of Delta's last contact for reference.

Dan, Not sure where you got your data from but this is what I get, and verified it from other sources.

Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian earned $34.2 million in 2023
American Airlines CEO Robert Isom earned $31.4 million in 2023
United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby earned $18.6 million in 2023

Cheers!

Those weren't their actual salaries... If you took the time to read any articles that talk about their compensation, most of that sum was a bonus in various forms for leading the airlines in recovering from the pandemic... It even states their 2022 salaries in this article


https://onemileatatime.com/insights/hig ... rline-ceo/

[DanWEC]

Dan, Not sure where you got your data from but this is what I get, and verified it from other sources.

Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian earned $34.2 million in 2023
American Airlines CEO Robert Isom earned $31.4 million in 2023
United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby earned $18.6 million in 2023

Cheers!

I made a mistake in the first post which I just corrected. The numbers are from 2022, not 2023. 2022 was the only year I compiled the reference salaries for as that was the year that Rosseau started his massive increase in compensation.

[Factchkr]

Dan, Not sure where you got your data from but this is what I get, and verified it from other sources.

Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian earned $34.2 million in 2023
American Airlines CEO Robert Isom earned $31.4 million in 2023
United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby earned $18.6 million in 2023

Cheers!

I made a mistake in the first post which I just corrected. The numbers are from 2022, not 2023. 2022 was the only year I compiled the reference salaries for as that was the year that Rosseau started his massive increase in compensation.

i just looked at ac management proxy for 2020 and 2024. in 2019, roveniscu's salary was $1.4m and total compensation $12.8m. in 2023 rosseau's compensation was a bit less, $1.3m and totalcompensation $12.1. So not sure what you mean by 'massive' increase in compensation. the only thing i can think of is the govt leef program in covid to assist companies. I think the goverment capped all salaries or compensation (not sure which) to $1m for companies under the program.

The other thing that is wrong is us airlines have Ceo AND president positions. Ac combines them. In 2019 Delta CEO made $17.3 m and Delta president $10 m.

[DanWEC]

Dan, Not sure where you got your data from but this is what I get, and verified it from other sources.

Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian earned $34.2 million in 2023
American Airlines CEO Robert Isom earned $31.4 million in 2023
United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby earned $18.6 million in 2023

Cheers!

I made a mistake in the first post which I just corrected. The numbers are from 2022, not 2023. 2022 was the only year I compiled the reference salaries for as that was the year that Rosseau started his massive increase in compensation.

i just looked at ac management proxy for 2020 and 2024. in 2019, roveniscu's salary was $1.4m and total compensation $12.8m. in 2023 rosseau's compensation was a bit less, $1.3m and totalcompensation $12.1. So not sure what you mean by 'massive' increase in compensation. the only thing i can think of is the govt leef program in covid to assist companies. I think the goverment capped all salaries or compensation (not sure which) to $1m for companies under the program.

The other thing that is wrong is us airlines have Ceo AND president positions. Ac combines them. In 2019 Delta CEO made $17.3 m and Delta president $10 m.

Your only other post is one casting doubt and accusing ALPA of fabrication- so your perspective and motive of the person behind the keyboard is clear.

However, you have a minor point about the difference in executive structure in a larger airline. Thanks for bringing that to my attention and it's a fair point, but starting to digress. I don't have the time to research the rest of the executive structure, and it's marginally irrelevant.

Anyhow, it wasn't lost on me that you'd call back to tracking CR's earlier salary yet omitting the obvious plethora of articles very publicly detailing Rosseau's 2022 increase. So, you have an agenda in your posts here.

Still, my point remains regarding the disparity in pilot wages. That minor point doesn't equal 201%

Cheers

[Factchkr]

I made a mistake in the first post which I just corrected. The numbers are from 2022, not 2023. 2022 was the only year I compiled the reference salaries for as that was the year that Rosseau started his massive increase in compensation.

i just looked at ac management proxy for 2020 and 2024. in 2019, roveniscu's salary was $1.4m and total compensation $12.8m. in 2023 rosseau's compensation was a bit less, $1.3m and totalcompensation $12.1. So not sure what you mean by 'massive' increase in compensation. the only thing i can think of is the govt leef program in covid to assist companies. I think the goverment capped all salaries or compensation (not sure which) to $1m for companies under the program.

The other thing that is wrong is us airlines have Ceo AND president positions. Ac combines them. In 2019 Delta CEO made $17.3 m and Delta president $10 m.

Your only other post is one casting doubt and accusing ALPA of fabrication- so your perspective and motive of the person behind the keyboard is clear.

However, you have a minor point about the difference in executive structure in a larger airline. Thanks for bringing that to my attention and it's a fair point, but starting to digress. I don't have the time to research the rest of the executive structure, and it's marginally irrelevant.

Anyhow, it wasn't lost on me that you'd call back to tracking CR's earlier salary yet omitting the obvious plethora of articles very publicly detailing Rosseau's 2022 increase. So, you have an agenda in your posts here.

Still, my point remains regarding the disparity in pilot wages. That minor point doesn't equal 201%

Cheers

no agenda at all, i agree air canada pilots need to be paid more...i am going to invest in air canada, just a matter of timing. I already have aninvestment in one US airline...as for alpa I followed them during negots with my US airline, unions are unions, I use to belong to one, also why would i look up article on ceo pay if he was capped due to leef program, whywould it be in newspaper or on tv at all, all i recall is Trudeau or freeland complainng about ceo salaries...she wtore a book complaining about billionaires....sour grapes, socialist govt...why would new ceo agree to job that paid him less than previoius person, doesnt make sense....that's all