Flight Instructor Rating Under PGWP

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Flight Instructor Rating Under PGWP

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Hi everyone,
I am at the end of my training now and will be getting the CPL signoff next month. I will be eligible for PGWP. So my question is can flight instructor rating be done after i get the work permit (PGWP), or do i need the study permit status to do the rating as its some form of training?
Any advice and insights will be appreciated. Thank you!
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Generally speaking yes, you need a student permit, but if you go to unregulated province (e.g. AB, SK or NS), no one will care or ask. If you try in ON or MB (or I believe even BC), you are required to show proof of immigration status as the CPL and instructor rating are regulated.

Keep in mind almost every place is around a 6 months backlog, with the exception of about 2 places
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Re: Flight Instructor Rating Under PGWP

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readytofly wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:58 pm So my question is can flight instructor rating be done after i get the work permit (PGWP)
Yes, it can.
readytofly wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:58 pm or do i need the study permit status to do the rating as its some form of training?
No, you don't. As long as you're in the country legally, you can take "short courses", which are defined as courses under 6 months duration. No study permit required.
aviran9111 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:38 pm Generally speaking yes, you need a student permit,
You need a study permit for "long" courses (over 6 months) and for approved PGWP programs (which, as I understand it, have to be 2+ years anyway). You can take any number of short courses without a study permit as long as you're in the country legally -- including being here on a work permit (post-graduate or otherwise).
aviran9111 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:38 pm but if you go to unregulated province (e.g. AB, SK or NS), no one will care or ask. If you try in ON or MB (or I believe even BC), you are required to show proof of immigration status as the CPL and instructor rating are regulated.
The CPL and Instructor Rating are regulated everywhere, federally. Immigration is also regulated everywhere, federally. Those regulations allow for the conduct of short courses. The instructor rating qualifies as a short course.
aviran9111 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:38 pm Keep in mind almost every place is around a 6 months backlog, with the exception of about 2 places
This is largely true. Although I'm not sure about the "2 places", it's a big country. Also keep in mind that wait list times are exaggerated because students will place themselves on multiple wait lists. Every student I've known to place themselves on a wait list has gotten a training slot in under half the claimed wait time.
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Re: Flight Instructor Rating Under PGWP

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Conflicting Traffic wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:16 pm
readytofly wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:58 pm So my question is can flight instructor rating be done after i get the work permit (PGWP)
Yes, it can.
readytofly wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:58 pm or do i need the study permit status to do the rating as its some form of training?
No, you don't. As long as you're in the country legally, you can take "short courses", which are defined as courses under 6 months duration. No study permit required.
aviran9111 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:38 pm Generally speaking yes, you need a student permit,
You need a study permit for "long" courses (over 6 months) and for approved PGWP programs (which, as I understand it, have to be 2+ years anyway). You can take any number of short courses without a study permit as long as you're in the country legally -- including being here on a work permit (post-graduate or otherwise).
aviran9111 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:38 pm but if you go to unregulated province (e.g. AB, SK or NS), no one will care or ask. If you try in ON or MB (or I believe even BC), you are required to show proof of immigration status as the CPL and instructor rating are regulated.
The CPL and Instructor Rating are regulated everywhere, federally. Immigration is also regulated everywhere, federally. Those regulations allow for the conduct of short courses. The instructor rating qualifies as a short course.
aviran9111 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:38 pm Keep in mind almost every place is around a 6 months backlog, with the exception of about 2 places
This is largely true. Although I'm not sure about the "2 places", it's a big country. Also keep in mind that wait list times are exaggerated because students will place themselves on multiple wait lists. Every student I've known to place themselves on a wait list has gotten a training slot in under half the claimed wait time.
Why spread misinformation?

Instructor Rating is NOT regulated everywhere.
In Ontario, it is regulated under the Private Career College Act. You must provide your immigration status before you can study either CPL or Instructor Rating in ON, AND you must pay $500 fee each, regardless of where you study, because the province has decided it.
Similarly, you have to do the same in MB.

Because you must present your immigration status, you are SOL. Why? Because your PGWP specifically says - you can NOT attend ANY secondary school without a permit. Most schools won't even touch you because of it.

Hence my comment - in AB, SK, NS and any other province that did NOT regulate it the way ON and MB did, you are NOT required to show your immigration status, and there is NO PROVINCIAL LEGISLATION in place that prevents you from doing just that.
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