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767 · Post by **767** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:30 pm

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Pete · Post by **Pete** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:31 pm

their was this one guy one time who was in his commercial ground school, and couldnt tell the difference between an airbus a380 and a 747-400... as a matter of fact, he never ever heard of the a380 until i mentioned about it

Who cares? Maybe he knows the difference between a DHC-2 and a DHC-3. That doesnt make him a bad student. He could be great in the aircraft and catch on alot quicker. I struggled to pass the commercial prep test...Im not book smart...I hate reading. But I learn from my faults and press on because I love it.

Id hate to be in a ground school where its one big sausage fest and the topic of conversation 99% of the time is commercial jets. ah well.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:20 am

I instructed for about 600 hours and I was amazed how many students "didn't have time" to pre-read today's lesson plan. The older ones were too busy with family and work and the younger ones went partying last night. And then they're surprised when they had to repeat the lesson, or it took 100 hours to pass a PPL.

200hr Wonder · Post by **200hr Wonder** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:53 am

There are many students especially the older business types that expect to come in write a check for $6,000 or $10,000 or what ever the going rate is for a PPL and get it. They do not realize that they need to put effort into it or else it is going to take a lot longer and cost a lot more to get it done. There are those people who want you to hold your hand and are willing to pay for it to. There are also the people who over prepare for each flight come in ask a few questions for clarification and then boom off you go.

In the end just give each student what they want and need.

shimmydampner · Post by **shimmydampner** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:40 pm

klm691heavy wrote: their was this one guy one time who was in his commercial ground school, and couldnt tell the difference between an airbus a380 and a 747-400... as a matter of fact, he never ever heard of the a380 until i mentioned about it

Goddammit, why are so many pilots such nerds?!

You don't have to be a fucking aviation nerd to succeed in aviation. So what that he can't tell the difference between 2 heavy jets, neither can I. Fortunately, that was not part of the required knowledge on my commercial test. It's not all about the book smarts, I still say hands and feet are the most important part of flying. Unfortunately not everyone thinks so. Fortunately, I'm just a lowly bush pilot so I don't need to do so much studying.

Pete wrote:Id hate to be in a ground school where its one big sausage fest and the topic of conversation 99% of the time is commercial jets. ah well.

If only it stopped at groundschool. Just wait 'til you get stuck up in some shitty northern town and go out to the bar and the pilot table is obvious because the topic of conversation still hasn't changed and there's still no girls within a 25 foot radius.

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:43 pm

Goddammit, why are so many pilots such nerds?!

I don't think there's anything "book-smart" about knowing what a 747 is and how it looks different from other airplanes. And the A380 hasn't really been a silent kind of thing these days.

ever · Post by **ever** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:35 pm

hey redline are you a nerd?

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:23 pm

KLM,

Can you tell the difference between a Panavia Tornado and a Su-23 or F-111? Vicars Viscount or Il-62? A-12 vs. SR-71? (that last one is a peach)

I can't tell an A319 from a 320, do I need to turn in my licence?

Does it matter a whole lot if someone isn't intersted in the airlines?
How does this have anything to do with their study habits? Your point about people not studying is valid, as witnessed by the response. Your evidence, on the other hand, is flawed in that it has no bearing on the issue.

I would re-think the argument before calling someone stupid.

Sideshow · Post by **Sideshow** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:01 am

I know some awesome pilots that arn't very good at identifying aircraft.

I had a student that admitted, after he completed all his training, that all his late night studying was actually partying and drinking. I figured as much. No ones studeies that much to the point of exhaustion and still turns up stupid the next morning. Coincidentally he was very good at his A318,319,320 737-200,600,700,800 trivia.

Didn't really bother me too much, ok a little... but I figured it was his money in the process of becoming my money so that always helped eased the pain.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:01 am

If only it stopped at groundschool. Just wait 'til you get stuck up in some shitty northern town and go out to the bar and the pilot table is obvious because the topic of conversation still hasn't changed and there's still no girls within a 25 foot radius.

Thats easily avoidable. To go shoot the shit and have some drinks is all fine...but Im sure not every guy up there flying is one to sit around talking about airplanes (atleast I hope not...or I can count the bars out!). That would drive me insane.

To work around it I find easy. As with any job, and pecker head fellow employee....if they want to talk about it, thats cool...Im good with letting that stuff go in one ear and right back out, especially if theres alot of work to be done.

Reading this post kinda scares me. For all you bush pilots...how many times have you taken a look at the rookie and just laughed? Are there alot of Mr. Poindexter Aviators up there?

Juggs · Post by **Juggs** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:43 am

how many people have you met that are in training, and are slacking with their ground school.. ie: exams / assigmments etc. their was this one guy one time who was in his commercial ground school, and couldn't tell the difference between an airbus a380 and a 747-400

Why do you care? Buddy can't identify two heavy jets. Are you going on either one after you finish your commercial groundschool? What could you possibly learn about either heavy jet that is relevant in you "commercial" groundschool?

HuD 91gt · Post by **HuD 91gt** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:35 am

You can't make fun of them until they have trouble recalling the name of the plane they are training in, as well as the vehicle their parents drive.

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:41 am

ever wrote:hey redline are you a nerd?

I'd like to think so....but I'm not really that intelligent.

Remember, geeks and nerds are what make the world turn.

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:49 am

Take it easy on the original poster, this topic has surfaced on many forums the worldover, there seems to be a growing lack of passion for aviation among newer pilots. For those who've had their face buried in a copy of Janes since they were pups/pupettes, it's incomprehesible. How many Newfoundland fishermen cannot identify an oiltanker vs an aircraft carrier? Even if one flys only as a hobbie they should have some knowledge of different aircraft. Heck, golf is a hobbie and I'm sure all golfers can tell the difference between Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus.

Of course it would be a very rare individual who could identify every aircraft out there, but the most commonly used in your area of the world should be known. I am not a pilot and struggle with identifiying series of aircraft unless they are side by side yet as SLF I would be apprehensive if I thought I could out-identify the pilots on my flight.

There was a thread where the consensus was...."don't trust a pilot who won't go for a beer after a flight".... I personally couldn't trust a pilot who can't tell the difference between a 747 and an A340! To each his own.

arctic navigator · Post by **arctic navigator** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:16 pm

I have to agree that their seems to be a lack of passion towards aviation compaired to even 10 years ago. I think a small amout of time training should be spent teaching some history of aviation, especially for those taking the college programs around. Not saying that people should be able to identify every aircraft that ever existed from a photo, but they should be able to recognize some of the more common aircraft flying around them, as well as some of the ones that had significant impact on the aviation industry as it stands.

niss · Post by **niss** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:20 pm

Azures point IMHO is a valid one, but the initial post still seemed like a case of "Look how big my dick is".

KLM if I am way off I apologise, just calling it like i sees it.

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:48 pm

Well, maybe because I don't have a dick I missed that nuance.

I just think this poster is frustrated because he see's others not as committed to aviation as he is working their way through the system. Albeit slower, they will be carrying us, our children and grandchildren in the future and they don't seem serious about the profession.

Glass cockpits are turning pilots into screentouchers, however; I still would be more comfortable with a knowledgeable pilot who really cares about what is flying around him/her.

JMO

shimmydampner · Post by **shimmydampner** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:25 pm

I still don't buy this BS. There's no relation between distinguishing aircraft from one another and studying for your commercial exam. There's also no relation between passion for aviation and knowing the difference between heavy jets, because there are many avenues in aviation and commercial jets is only one. People can be passionate about one type of flying or aircraft and not really give 2 shits about another. Let's see if jet-boy can distinguish a 180 from a 185.
Too tough? OK, 206 then.
Beaver/Norseman? That should be a gimme.
Point is, different strokes for different folks. Distinguishing aircraft has nothing to do with passion for aviation or one's intelligence or knowledge or ability in an aircraft.

Pratt X 3 · Post by **Pratt X 3** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:04 pm

I must be a terrible pilot. I could only reconize the 747 in those pictures.

767 · Post by **767** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:09 pm

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shimmydampner · Post by **shimmydampner** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:23 pm

Pratt X 3 wrote:I must be a terrible pilot. I could only reconize the 747 in those pictures.

It was a trick question, you're actually the best pilot in the world!

200hr Wonder · Post by **200hr Wonder** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:32 pm

Just do what I do KLM - give them the wrong answer it is more fun that way.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:36 pm

klm691heavy wrote:if a pilot doesnt know what a 380 is, and people who arent pilots know about it, i see something wrong there. if he cant identify 737, 747, thats a differnt story. but they televised the A380 billions of times all over the world.....

Wait, wait, wait. So you're saying that it's ok not to know the most produced and used jet airliner ever, but not watching tv makes you less of a pilot? Son, there are plenty of pilots who live and fly where you can't get tv! Just cause you have a hard-on for Airbus doesn't mean that everyone in the world has seen the A380 and could pick it out of a line up.

Again, being annoyed by slackers is one thing, but it has nothing to do with aircraft recognition. If the guy is that much of a tool, fine. He's a tool. Then again, maybe he didn't learn anything because the course didn't teach him anything. Different people learn differntly, perhaps the program didn't suit his learning needs.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:45 pm

Azure wrote:Well, maybe because I don't have a dick I missed that nuance.

I just think this poster is frustrated because he see's others not as committed to aviation as he is working their way through the system. Albeit slower, they will be carrying us, our children and grandchildren in the future and they don't seem serious about the profession.

Glass cockpits are turning pilots into screentouchers, however; I still would be more comfortable with a knowledgeable pilot who really cares about what is flying around him/her.

JMO

Hey baby...you single?

767 · Post by **767** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:54 pm

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