RCMP now tasering people in their cars?

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You see punishment fits the crime. If there is no crime, why should they punish anyone?

(I'm talking about RCMP and their own members in case there is confusion)
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This stuff is an outrage. The rcmp should be disbanded, they are a disgrace and a lot of them are obvious cowards. If they weren't, they would not be attacking unarmed senior citizens.
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Your right it's an outrage. This guy should have his drivers licence suspended for runnning from the police. He was the cause of his own problems. He double parked in the middle of the street, which drew the attention of the police. When being written a ticket, he decided the law dosen't apply to him, stepped on the gas peddle and drove away triggering a police chase. I suggest this 68 year old juvinile should man up and take responsibilty for his own role in causing what happened to him.

As Chris Rock said in his, "How not to get your ass kicked by the police" comedy sketch, "When you see flashing police lights behind you, STOP IMMEDIATELY. If the police have to come and get you, they're bringing an ass kicking with them."
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While it's fair to say he should not have driven off, it may also be that he was well within his rights to do so. This is not a police state where they can detain a person at any time, in any place, and for whatever they want. Is it :?:

Double parking?? Imagine a small lot where you pull in, only to find that someone has double parked, taking up most of the very little room left in the lot. So you pull beside them, careful not to touch any cars, resulting in yourself being over the line. While in the store, the original car drives off, leaving you conspicuously double parked. And then the cops cruise by. Now they want to give you a ticket, and despite your protests they won't be reasonable. As a gripey old man, frustrated by anal policemen who won't give you any respect, you drive off leaving them to send you a ticket in the mail. Chase ensues...

I realise this may be nowhere near what happened in this instance, just one possibility. But I think it's fair to say that unless there was a good witness, we'll never know. After reading some of the other threads here on RCMP and tasing, and also from personal experience, I don't feel we should trust the police version, or their judgement.

Speaking of judgement, when will it be time for police to exercise some, instead of tasering seniors who can't park? It sure woulda been hard to run his plates, and go to his home and give him a ticket. Soon I'm gonna have to get a weapon to protect me from the police.
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k, when I'm nailed with a parking violation, a dude in a little green shirt (we call him the green onion) gives me a ticket, i get back it is under my wiper... I have never received, nor witnessed anyone else being given a parking citation by an actually officer of the law, most towns have by law enforcers. Now, if he was double parked in a complex, like orchard park, would he not be on private property, thereby not under the authority of the RCMP?

I was always taught that if you are still in the car in the drivers seat, you're not actually parked as you can drive away if there does happen to be some traffic issues.

Being that kelowna is the Meth capital of B.C. I would suggest that the police there have far bigger 'fish to fry' than someone double parking.

What a bunch of stupid assholes.
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Phaedrus wrote:While it's fair to say he should not have driven off, it may also be that he was well within his rights to do so. This is not a police state where they can detain a person at any time, in any place, and for whatever they want. Is it :?:

Double parking?? Imagine a small lot where you pull in, only to find that someone has double parked, taking up most of the very little room left in the lot. So you pull beside them, careful not to touch any cars, resulting in yourself being over the line. While in the store, the original car drives off, leaving you conspicuously double parked. And then the cops cruise by. Now they want to give you a ticket, and despite your protests they won't be reasonable. As a gripey old man, frustrated by anal policemen who won't give you any respect, you drive off leaving them to send you a ticket in the mail. Chase ensues...

I realise this may be nowhere near what happened in this instance, just one possibility. But I think it's fair to say that unless there was a good witness, we'll never know. After reading some of the other threads here on RCMP and tasing, and also from personal experience, I don't feel we should trust the police version, or their judgement.

Speaking of judgement, when will it be time for police to exercise some, instead of tasering seniors who can't park? It sure woulda been hard to run his plates, and go to his home and give him a ticket. Soon I'm gonna have to get a weapon to protect me from the police.

It's the same pile of crap, police going ape over what should have been minor incidents. Such as the detention and slaying of Ian Bush. I am willing to bet that an older, experienced officer would not have arrested him in the first place, but you get some cocky young prick of a rookie with an axe to grind, and a civilian gets executed. That situation was allowed to go right out of control and the CO should have had his ass canned and the officer severely disciplined, if not charged with second degree murder. The recruiting centre should put up a sign, those with brains or judgement or scruples need not apply. Nihilist has it correct, why don't these assholes actually do some police work, instead of harrassing people over petty shit. Unfortunately, I think I have the answer to my question, they could not give a rat's #@% about illegal drugs. They are just a bunch of keystone cops madly running in all directions sweeping up the messes they create.
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Wilbur, are you seriously suggesting that we should entirely
get rid of the judicial system, and simply permit police
officers to implement capital punishment "on the spot"?

You seem to think that there is nothing wrong with
this scenario. Very scary indeed.
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[quote] why don't these assholes actually do some police work, instead of harrassing people over petty @#$!. Unfortunately, I think I have the answer to my question, they could not give a rat's #@% about illegal drugs[/quote]

quite simple really, parking tickets, seatbelt tickets, and speeding tickets generate revenue.

busting drug dealers and murderers does not
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Wilbur there was a time here on Avcanada when I read your posts and had some respect for your thoughts.

Your approval of tasering a senior citizen sitting in his car for something that was as simple as a parking violation has changed my mind and I shall no longer take anything you write seriously.

Since when has the police force degenerated into tasering senior citizens.....are the cops that cowardly today?
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This incident occured on a city street, not in a parking lot. He double parked in the middle of the road, by his own admission on TV. He also admitted he drove away from the cop while being written a ticket. The cop should not have tasered him in his car, and is being disciplined for it. I'm simply saying that I am tired of listening to people who bring on their own problems whining about what subsequently happens to them.

THEY WERE BOTH WRONG in how they acted (cop and taseree) and I'm not inclined to have sympathy for either one.
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He didn't get tasered for double parking. He got tasered for driving off and causing a police chase; an act that is taken very seriously by police because of the number of innocent people who have been killed. Had he acted like a normal semi-responsible person, he would have stayed put, taken the ticket, not been tasered, and driven off with nothing but a small fine for his minor traffic violation. A ticket he could contest in court if he really didn't think he was in the wrong. Instead, he decided to act like an idiot and escalate the situation into something far more serious. Who else but a supreme idiot, or someone committing some serious crime would run from a cop writing them a simple traffic ticket?

I have been tasered, in the torso, and it's no big deal. Your muscles between the two probes go into spasm, it hurts for a few seconds, and you fall down. 15 seconds later your back to normal with nothing more than a couple small nicks in your skin where the probes stuck into you.
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[quote]I have been tasered, in the torso, and it's no big deal. Your muscles between the two probes go into spasm, it hurts for a few seconds, and you fall down. 15 seconds later your back to normal with nothing more than a couple small nicks in your skin where the probes stuck into you.[/quote]

Unless you die.

Apologies for the lack of a working quote button..... grrrr
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Cpl atc, you are correct, the cop exercised extremely poor judgement when he tasered this guy and now faces disciplinary action from his employer. I would expect him to take what he gets, learn from it, and carry on without whining.
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The approach to TASER's has to change. While they are normally a benign weapon, they are potentially lethal and should be handled and used with the same guidance as a hand gun.

I am no lover of Police officers as a very large number of them are knuckle dragging goons of modest intelligence.

That said, I have to agree with Wilbur on this one. The cop was dead wrong for his actions but the victim was dead wrong in fleeing. Take the ticket, fight it in court or pay it once you have had time for a sober second look.
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BoostedNihilist wrote:Unless you die.
Well, you don't die unless you're immediately pounced upon by four large men who compress your chest until you can't draw in any air. Then you die, but all media reports and the subsequent investigation focus on the taser and conveniently overlook this small detail.

Anyway, there is something about this senior citizen case that just doesn't smell right. Any time I've drawn the attention of the police for being double parked, their response has been to roll up beside me and motion for me to move on. They don't get out of their car, and often they don't say a word, they just wave and you nod and drive away. Isn't that generally how it goes?

Double parking is a fact of life in cities. On any given day in, say, downtown Toronto, you will encounter thousands of double parked delivery trucks, courier cars, etc. They simply have no choice.... there are no empty parking spots, and they cannot circle the block endlessly, so they double park, make their drop, and move on as quickly as they can. The cops know this and turn a blind eye. If they didn't, commerce would grind to a halt and the cops would spend their whole shift writing parking tickets.

So what was it about this old guy that made the cops decide to give him a ticket instead of just telling him to move on? And why did he drive away? Where was the cop when he was writing the ticket? Was he standing at the guy's open window, or was he sitting in the police car? Because it seems inconceivable to me that a 69 year old with his wife in the car would just drive away from a cop standing at his window writing a ticket. Who the hell would do that?

Is it possible the guy misinterpreted what was happening? Could the cop have gone back to his car to write the ticket and the old guy didn't realize he was getting one and believed he was supposed to move on? He's 69 years old. Does he have hearing problems? When my dad was 69, he was almost completely deaf in one ear. Could the guy have been mistaken about what the cop wanted him to do because he couldn't hear his words properly?

I just can't fathom why this guy drove away, or why he was getting a ticket in the first place. Both of these things are abnormal for the situation and neither have been explained. It just smells fishy.
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Albertdesalvo, maybe the senior citizen was a karate expert and was well known for beating the chit out of Cops.

Maybe he used the double parking thing as a lure to get Cops in a situation where he could lead them to parking malls where he had room to really hang a beating on them.

Maybe that Cop knew all this and kept tasering the guy so he couldn't get out of his car?

Maybe the wife was this fighters manager?
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The RCMP member didn't follow "SOP's" and is probably going to get in trouble for it.

The senior citizen also did a bad thing by driving off WITH A 3000 lb weapon of oppurtunity.

Like Wilbur said, both were wrong.

Why did I decide to weigh in on the topic? Because you cop haters have nothing better to do then to armchair quarterback every move the RCMP does. And I have nothing better to do then armchair quarterback you.

I used to know a member who held the record for largest extacy bust from a traffic stop. Upwards in the millions worth. So yeah, they are doing their job by stopping seemingly innocent speeders, double parkers, etc...

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Nark wrote:Like Wilbur said, both were wrong.
You two guys should get a room. And we aren't cop haters, we are skeptics who don't believe the cops should be investigating themselves and don't believe the results of said investigations. People who ask these kinds of questions are essential to a healthy society, and historically have uncovered a great deal of wrongdoing through their tenacity and refusal to accept the "official" versions of events.

In the case under discussion, I really want to know what the old geezer was doing that made the cop decide to ticket him instead of telling him to drive off. What was special about this situation? The answer to that question may very well favour the cop.

I also want to know why Mr. Geezer drove away. Wilbur says only a criminal or an idiot would do that. We've already established he was no criminal, and Wilbur has already decided he was an idiot. Well, I'm not so sure about that. People of that age group were raised to show respect to the police and to always cooperate and assist, and I don't believe Geezer just decided to thumb his nose at the cop and drive off. Septugenarians don't do things like that, and I don't think he was an idiot. There has got to be an explanation for why he drove away, and I have provided a perfectly plausible one, which you apparently don't want to consider.

Not to say there aren't a few cantankerous old bastards around..... :)
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You liked that senario CPL-ATC? :mrgreen:
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. . wrote:You liked that senario CPL-ATC? :mrgreen:
It's as believable as anything else coming from the ArseCMP these days.
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Well Albert, when interviewed by the Kelowna TV statation, the guy said he just decided to drive away from the cop because he didn't want a ticket. Two blocks later, he concluded that it probably wasn't a good idea and decided to stop. He was reported as having some mental condition, that I can't recall, that impairs his judgement and decision making.

Why the cop decided to give him a ticket for double parking instead of just waving him along or ignoring it doesn't really matter. The violation was not disputed; the guy said he double parked while his wife made a delivery.

68 or 69 doesn't normally qualify one as a "geezer," at least not in my experience. The vast majority of people I know in that age range are in good health and still physically quite capable. If any of them decided to give you a shot in melon you would know you'd been hit.

Like I said, both were wrong. The old guy by his own admission, the cop by his supervisor's assessment. Time for both to suck it up and move on.
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Let's all assume at this point that not ALL members of the RCMP are the same and that the majority are just trying to do their jobs as best they can while wincing at the actions of some of the minority. Let's also assume the same for the members of the CAF and that they don't all capture, torture and kill their captives as some did in Somalia. If we can safely assume the foregoing, let's also hope that those who hear and have heard about the number of times that pilots have been fopund inebriated on flights decks doesn't make them think that all of us are the same either.

I state the above because until you actually NEED one, ALL of those mentioned above are as useful as shit on a stick, grossly over-paid and probably crooked anyway. However, should you need one very badly, they are worth their weight in gold and many of them have saved lives.
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Tasering has become nothing morte than a means to induce submission. In rare cases like half a percent, it is used to stop a potentially lethal attack.
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Some people just need Tasing and they should get what they need !!!! :smt040 :smt040 :smt040
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