A whale of a rumor.

[Justwannafly]

Not that long ago there was a rumor going around that a whale of a company in YVR was going under within the week. Well it’s been a week, & then some, & so far it seems their ho’s are still strutting their stuff around BC.

Amazing! an avcanada rumor that didn’t pan out shocking lol
Anyway if anyone has any updates as to the situation over there please let us know; we here at avcanada live on rumors
Oh & also on making fun of Air Canada Jazz's new 200 hour wonder nursery

[Valcore]

I "heard" more than half the 200 hours wonders washed out. Not sure if it's true. Heard it a few time come to think of it.

[Rowdy]

I heard they were gonna buy all of NAC's returned PC12's and dominate all of the west coast

[Cannonballer]

I heard the same but that they were going to do it "inverted"

[HuD 91gt]

I heard the same but that they were going to do it "inverted"

Well it would make sense. No point in looking out the window and seeing a wing, when you could see beautiful British Columbia if inverted.

[privateer]

Now rowdy, 200 hour wonders flying there very used pc12's up and down the coast?? thats a "sonic" breakfast waiting to happen crazy single engines in the rocks

[Rowdy]

Thats a bunch of Bullshit..

PC12 in the rocks is just fine. Montair did it with no problems whatsoever. Hell of a good machine if you ask me. Better than some clapped out ho' or screaming pencil of death!!

However.. a 208.. no thanks!!

Privateer you can go eff yourself

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Hmmmm, lets think about this for a moment.

If you were flying in the mountains and had an engine failure what would you rather be flying, a single engine airplane or a Navajo or a Metro?

[wallypilot]

Thats a bunch of Bullshit..

PC12 in the rocks is just fine. Montair did it with no problems whatsoever. Hell of a good machine if you ask me. Better than some clapped out ho' or screaming pencil of death!!

Rowdy, from seeing your posts here, you normally seem like a very reasonable individual, with good experience on the coast in BC. However, I gotta disagree with you here. Just because monterr did it without incident doesn't make it inherently safe.

a wise old aviator once told me:

most normal people have a huge fear of death, and a small fear of failing at the task at hand. Most pilots, on the other hand, have small (too small) fear of death, and a huge fear of not completing the job given to them.

I think anyone who is flying PC12's in the rocks, IMC without a visual alternate to land at from any point of your flight route definitely fits the depiction above.

Anyways, we don't need to get back into SEIFR crap, I suppose. BTW, those "screamin pencils of death" (i can only assume you are talking about the metro...and only the II, cause the III and 23 are far better) can still maintain a decent altitude on a single engine. It's their s/e climb performance with the gear down that is abysmal.

[Justwannafly]

yea I agree with you that that rowdy does normaly seem sensible.....his brain must have gotten frozen while working for Ken Borak

Montair eh?...hmmm

[Rowdy]

Okay boys.. so I'd been into the sauce a bit..

but still.. clapped out old PISTON navajo.. or beautiful new shiny TURBINE airplane.. Nice and derated.. so it's never strained.. The turbo 540 is stresseeeeeddddd.. I'm not a fan at all. As for those metros.. sure they CAN be decent.. but have you ever had a close look at the ones run by carson? I know a few folk there.. they seem to always have something broken or something break.

Gimme a PC12.. or a king air that was 'light'.. Eff the Ho's.. and metros (sorry boys thats just how "I" feel)

If I was seriously afraid of an engine giving up.. I wouldn't have bombed around in piston singles for so long. Even Radials for a good portion of that time.

You're all a bunch of whiners. PC12's kick ass. They were designed to do that work. Mountains or not. The Swiss know mountains..

ohh and JWF... Montair no longer runs the PC12's.. 9/11 and the resuliting lull kinda killed that for em. Too bad. I heard they were trying to get a King air goin.. but haven't been around ZBB in a while.

Ohh and the arctic and the King airs are good to me.. But I'd still fly that sexy PC12 any day

[Justwannafly]

Yea I know all about ManTerror err I mean Montair. As for the single engine IFR....Ive never PIC'd radials but I have flown a lot of pistons & have had them fail on me 3 times. Luckly every time was right by an airport. Not sure about the time when I was 3 & the cilinder head blew on the 172...but whereever we end'd up I'm alive so it must have been an ok landing. But the other 2 Were easy failures. One was right after takeoff the other one right Beside an airport (runway landings each time). (2 different aircraft & 2 different companies)

alas my crash landing stories just arn't as exciting as yours .......that reminds me I'll have to facebook/msg you/email you one of these days for more info on what happen'd there

So give me more then one engine & maybe a BIG paycheck & I'll be a happy lil camper lol


Oh what's the difference between a single engine that flies into the side of a mountain & a twin that flies into the mountain?
The twin does it faster

[Rowdy]

I've had engines cough.. but never out and out fail.

I'm guessin all your failures were pistons in training a/c ? Lots of abrupt power changes and students beatin on'em..

Actually... I did have one let go.. and it was a pretty lil turbine.. On the ground thankfully.

Maybe we should ask .. or that grrrreeeassssyy v1 rotate what they think about TURBINE SEIFR! I know they've done that shizzle daily.

But back to the rumours... I'm pretty sure we're gonna come out there and dominate the world.. Oh wait.. we already have

Would you fly .. and rowdy air?

[HuD 91gt]

Gimme a PC12.. or a king air that was 'light'.. Eff the Ho's.. and metros (sorry boys thats just how "I" feel)

If I was seriously afraid of an engine giving up.. I wouldn't have bombed around in piston singles for so long. Even Radials for a good portion of that time.

You make yourself sound like a very experienced pilot. Ever flown a PA31, or Metro?

[Rowdy]

I've flown both a chieftain and a straight Ho. Never flown a metro.. never want to! I like PT6's!!

My whole point was not to badmouth any of those planes.. just showcasing the fact that a PC12 would do just find out west.. As there are quite a few turbine singles already bombing around amongst the old and tired twins.

Everyone gets so uptight about this..

Settle down

[app flap]

I've flown both a chieftain and a straight Ho.

Where abouts did you get all your PA31 experience Rowdy?? I can understand your dislike for the Navajo. It's not like it's the most successful light twin in the country for a reason or anything...

However.. a 208.. no thanks!!

I never knew you were an authority on the Caravans either, definatly a one trick horse that Cessna - only good for flying bags from pavement to pavement on nice sunny days, and even then...

[Rowdy]

Hey appy flappy.. No worries my brother from another mother!!

I'm just teasin a buddy who watches avcan and flies a van out there on the beautiful wet coast! It really is a great and versatile machine.

Everyone seems to take this shit way way way to seriously. Every machine out there has it's pro's and con's. I personally feel just fine in a turbine single. Everyone keeps ragin on these good machines and it drives me bonkers. Y'know what I'm sayin?

The reason the navajos are so prominent?!?! They're CHEAP! Thats right.. I said it.

[altiplano]

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[ScudRunner]

Maybe we should ask .. or that grrrreeeassssyy v1 rotate what they think about TURBINE SEIFR! I know they've done that shizzle daily.

Hey I love the PC-12 its a sweet machine and a plane built less than 10 years ago should be alot nicer than one built over 30. Known the PC-12 I would taker into the rocks, do I have a death wish? no, I just know how she performs, one thing I would want is an excellent terrain map display just in case. (I wanted one on the praires, one more tool to use) climb out at a speed that will let you glide back just incase or give you a fighting chance and get high wich she does nicely give you more time. Not my idea of fun mind you, but those who have flown them know what there all about, its the same story as in any flying manage the risk. Your just as screwed way up north ok smaller trees but if you don't packer in just right the Herc from Trenton is going to take about 4 hours to get to you and that's if all 4 engines on that beast are spinning and they probly wont start looking for you for awhile so 6 hours at -40 hope you didn't where your Italian leather shoes and that thing managment called a "parka" smartest pilots I saw never wore anything close to a uniform in the winter.

A Perimeter Pilot asked me why we go so high, the same guy told me the week before he thought SEIFR was sketchy. Don't worry Ive convince him its his turn to buy the beer three times in a row. (It aint cause I like the view up there) Always loved to point out that at FL200 you only clear Mt Logan by less then 500 feet on a 29.92 day.

Most of my Carreer was spent in single engine pistons at 500ft or less creaping through the yukon's vally's, or the BN2 same hieght at gross basically would have been the same result. I show pics of some of the places I use to go and people called me crazy. Actual experiance and carefully managing the risk are what its all about. But there is a reason I moved on from those, even taking a twin into some places is dangerous, you play with fire enough you will get burned. Ive got the grey hairs creaping in and don't want to encourage more.

Here's some reading, http://www.globalair.com/discussions/co ... p?msgID=81


Even Magdrop said I was nuts! And he was sitting to the right of me


It Happens

[Rowdy]

Rowdy's just starting to get the "attitude". They don't call it a King Air for nothing!

Everything has a niche I've got navajo, metro and king air time and I like them all within their capabilities. The PC-12 does it's thing too but I'd rather be in a king air. As for metros, they take more stuff A to B faster and cheaper than any king air can, so they do their thing too although in a funnier looking way.

At least I don't fly a SUPER king air We'd never hear the end of it.

Metros have their place too... racing along at higher speeds sounding all crazy like.

[SuperDave]

I'm just teasin a buddy who watches avcan and flies a van out there on the beautiful wet coast! It really is a great and versatile machine.

Pheeww...I thought you were picking on me there for a sec. Good thing you weren't, I'd get all "Van-defensive" on ya.

Good to see you're surving up there.

[Rowdy]

Pheeww...I thought you were picking on me there for a sec. Good thing you weren't, I'd get all "Van-defensive" on ya.

Good to see you're surving up there.

You're a king Davemeister!! I won't lie.. I love the van too.. just waitin for a chance to fly one for a season.

A round on me next time we cross paths okay?

[Justwannafly]

I've had engines cough.. but never out and out fail.

I'm guessin all your failures were pistons in training a/c ? Lots of abrupt power changes and students beatin on'em..

Actually... I did have one let go.. and it was a pretty lil turbine.. On the ground thankfully.

yep all 3 were pistons & the two I took glider lessons on were trainers.