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I know that my gliding experience has definitely increased my stick and rudder skills, pilot decision making, and multiple other things in relation to flying aircraft with engines.

My question is: Do employers and insurance companies even think twice about glider time, or is it irrelevant in their mind.

If a job states they require 500hrs TT and I possess 400 hrs single and 100 hrs glider, what do you as the employer think? Transport Canada recognises it for licensing …. Do insurance companies recognise it as well?
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You guys over-think everything. Gliding is valuble and valid flight time.
Stop worrying and start applying! Good luck.
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My 2 cents,

Unless specifically specified as Airplane total time (in an insurance policy or contract like MOH), total time means just that; TOTAL time.

In my current logbook, there is glider, helicopter and airplane.

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hmmm, I have 440 airplane time and 220 in gliders, should i be "advertising" myself as having 660 TT instead of 440? To me that seems like i would be misleading a possible employer...especially if they were to invite me for an interview and then find out I included glider time in my TT...
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I don't see why it shouldn't be included, the only difference is the noise! And you have to be a lot more careful with your descents, approaches, well, everything! You don't have an engine to bail you out if something goes wrong. I can't see an employer frowning upon the value of gliding. Personally, I have never been in a glider, but I can understand the value.
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I agree, i've gained alot of valuable experience from my glider time, i'm just thinking in terms of insurance requirements etc.
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Ok so if you flew for BA on the 777 and had a dual engine flameout do you log that as glider time? ... :smt040
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I have counted glider through all my resumes and it has been represented through all levels of flying from turbo prop to now airlines.

Insurance usually seperates flight time between fixed wing and rotary. Glider time teaches many transferrable skills, so count it.
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then find out I included glider time in my TT
Why not?

If I was looking at two resumes of 500TT pilots, and
one pilot had 500 hours in C172, and one pilot had
400 hours in C172 and 100 hours glider, I would tend
to lean towards the guy with the glider time, all other
things being equal (which of course they never are).

If you haven't learned how to fly a light single engine
trainer in 400 hours, then there is no hope for you
anyways. And the varied experience makes a better
pilot. It really doesn't matter what the different
experience is - tailwheel, float, skis, glider, aerobatic -
they all develop additional stick & rudder skill and
judgement.
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does it mater, 13years of flying for me ,close to 7K hours and It may be funny but only 60h on Jets and counting, really didn't make that big of a transition..... got a hard time to get used to the very high flare, that's all...and let me gigle on the captain time... I've always been captain on all my flights ....FOs are (co)CAPTAIN at all time.(I respected that when I was left seat)... Real captain only have seniority on you... remember that, you maybe they're capt on day....or ou maybe by yourself...

:prayer:


All the glider time I got is when I powered the engine down on final....does that count????












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Thanks for the replies, i agree with everyone, i was just unsure if glider time was counted towards TT with the insurance companies, thanks for clearing it up!
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You would be surprised.

I know a low-time pilot, he bought a retractable.
Yes, I know, the insurance is going to be a bear.

But he had 150 hours on an ultralight on floats with
retractable gear. You know, lawn chair tubing, bedsheets
and a chain saw engine.

But the insurance company bought the 150 ultralight
hours as "retractable gear" time, and gave him
insurance on the (real GA) retractable.

You would be surprised.
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Air Canada (Gimli) and Air Transat (Azores) might value glider time!
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nickirsch wrote:hmmm, I have 440 airplane time and 220 in gliders, should i be "advertising" myself as having 660 TT instead of 440? To me that seems like i would be misleading a possible employer...especially if they were to invite me for an interview and then find out I included glider time in my TT...

If I were you I'd definitely include your glider time into your total time. I wouldn't try to hide it there. When you break down your hours mention it for sure. Any CP who has gliding time will value it, if somebody doesn't respect it, I'd be surprised.


Total Time 600

Multi ??
IMC ??
Float, etc... ??
Glider 200

Something like that...however you delineate it.
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I was thinking about this ...

Let's say you've got four nearly-identical 500TT
resumes on your desk:

1) 500TT all on C172
2) 400 on C172, 100 on glider
3) 400 on C172, 100 on floats
4) 400 on C172, 100 on helicopter

I know which one I would choose, all things being
equal. Which one would you choose?
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What job are you hiring for?
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3, then if he/she needs to use 20 degrees of flap to get airborne they'll know how. :D
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Cat Driver wrote:4
Why?
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Total Time: 490
Single Engine: 390
Single PIC: 290
Seaplane: 20
Tail wheel: 190
Instrument: 26
Glider: 100
Glider PIC: 80
Glider Instructor: 10

There is my break down. Am I missing anything that you as an employer would want to know for Single Engine/VFR Op's ? I have retractable time from glider flying ... toss that in there?
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Adam the other three choices are all fixed wing time, learning to fly a helicopter is an entirely different set of mechanical skills and thus a better all around indication of the pilots motor skills and adaptability. :mrgreen:

Your time is just fine....... :mrgreen:
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Cat Driver wrote:Adam the other three choices are all fixed wing time, learning to fly a helicopter is an entirely different set of mechanical skills and thus a better all around indication of the pilots motor skills and adaptability. :mrgreen:
So that kind of falls into the catigory of flying multiple different aircraft ... so me having flown 25 different aircraft with majority PIC is a step up on the 172 driver.
Cat Driver wrote:Your time is just fine....... :mrgreen:
I'm just trying to figure out ways of separating myself from all the other 200hr wonders :lol: ... The hours are comin' along slowly but surely though.
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You are doing just fine Adam, especially the Pawnee time. :mrgreen:

Some pilots with 490 hours are far better pilots than some with 5490 hours because they just take to flying like a bird whereas some pilots are just robots.

Don't forget to keep getting laid as often as possible because that keeps your mind clear to concentrate on flying. :mrgreen:
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Cat Driver wrote:You are doing just fine Adam, especially the Pawnee time. :mrgreen:
Comin' up on 200hrs in the Pawnee alone, Man that things a hoot! :lol: Cropdusting's getting closer and closer :P
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