What should a Navajo Cpt. make?

[x-wind]

Would be on call 10d with 4 off.

In a major city... my rent is 400 a month.

What should I be getting paid guys? Oh, and what are some good questions to ask the employer in an interview?

[looproll]

45K

[Flybaby]

60K Single Pilot

[pilatus4life]

55-60 a year what ever you are told get it in writing.


pm me for some info

[Carrier]

Why not look through past job advertisements on this site? I did and came across one for a Navajo Captain dated 22 June last year. That’s eight months ago so salaries might have gone up since then. It was posted by Missionair of St. Andrews, near Winnipeg, and mentioned $64,000. I hope you consider Winnipeg to be a major city. The cost of living in Vancouver or Toronto is higher than Winnipeg so you should ask for more if the job is there.

[B-rad]

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[Captain X]

Regency might be long gone, but the crappy pay still remains with all the other Navajo ops in BC.

[Captain X]

60K Single Pilot

What company??

[x-wind]

yikes, the offer is 30k a year before taxes. It's Single pilot.

I'm definitely capable but <1500 hrs.

[ea306]

I think there are a lot of us that have done this. Heck I remember when 30K a year seemed like a lot of money...

Sadly at every level we are not paid as we should be. I know there will be lots of opinions to follow for sure. I have a 19 year old son who operates heavy equipment on Vancouver Island who makes 32.00 an hour and has a truck and a fuel card given to him to get to and from work. It isn't flying an airplane.... but it really makes you wonder. Oh and yes he works hard... 55 duty hours a week and getting paid everyone of those hours. I don't even want to do the math. OK I will: 32 x 55 x 52weeks = _________ He better start paying room and board soon! (Just kidding)

All of a sudden 60K a year to fly a Navajo does not seem so unreasonable I would say. I know it is more than what Air Canada will pay for a couple of years to fly their Jet... but then again just because the industry pays so little it does not mean it is right.


my 2cents..

Gonna go back to lurking now.

[Over the Horn]

Regency might be long gone, but the crappy pay still remains with all the other Navajo ops in BC.

"other" should be changed to "southern"

[whoop whoop pull up]

I have a 19 year old son who operates heavy equipment on Vancouver Island

Nothing beats flying

[180]

30K minus 27% is 22K divided by 12 months is 1833. If you work 40 hour weeks you'll be taking home $11.45 an hour to fly single IFR.

I should change my name to WTF?

[WJ700]

You should be making north of 160K for single pilot in a Pa31... but the reality is you won't. About 38K is what I made on it in 1996. I'd say mid- 50's is reasonable but could shock the hell out of someone offering 30K. Good luck!

[x-wind]

Hardest career decision I've had to make so far.

[Doc]

Circumstances alter cases. Mission Air pays a lot...but have you checked it out? Keystone SHOULD have to pay even more. But, they don't. Depends on which city. In the "real" world, 45-50K would be in the ballpark, though. Any other "duties" required for the job? I find, most of the "I wouldn't get out of bed for less than 60K!" crowd, do, indeed get out of bed for a Hell of a lot less than 60K!

x-wind, don't be too quick to turn it down. Negotiate. Single pilot time in a 'ho is worth a lot more than instructing. If these guys will pay you 30K, they'll up the antie....ever tried to hire a pilot these days? Impress upon them, it's a lot cheaper to pay you 45K, than be out training new pilots every three months.

[Meatservo]

Most of the time, what we pilots think of as a decent salary is based on how it compares to our previous salary. I got offered, a few years back a job flying a caravan for $4000 dollars a month. It SOUNDS like a lot of money, doesn't it? Then I got bumped up to $5000 a month a little while later when I took on some extra duties. I occurs to me now that my per- year income was actually less than it was the year before flying seaplanes, but the fact that I was making the same amount every month made it seem like a lot more. Then I found out how much the guy that drives the fuel truck at the airport makes. Or a guy driving a digger at a mine or working for the highway dept. You know the fuel guy has some special skills, though... he needs a class "d" license, a radio license, dangerous goods card, etc. No wonder he makes more than a pilot!!!

My point? I almost forgot what my point is... Oh, yeah, I figure a Navajo and a Caravan are similar size planes, doing similar things, so maybe 4 or 5 thousand a month? Of course, I think 5 thousand a month is what some beech 18 drivers make, so they might be mad to hear about a little Navajo on wheels paying the same as their jobs... maybe 4 thousand? But then maybe the Beech 18 pilots should be agitating for more money, it sounds like they work pretty hard, of course, then the little companies they work for would need to start MAKING more money, so everyone could get paid more. Of course then those guys would just waste it on beer anyway...

This post will probably get edited for off-topic drivel. I'm really bored.

On second thought, go for $3000 a month. What is that...$36000 a year? Sure! You sound young, and besides, you have less than 1500 hours, so flying the Navajo is a pretty big job. I had about 5000 hours when I flew the caravan, of course it was a bit harder to find work 5 years ago.

Heck, I don't know, how much is this guy offering, anyway? If it's less than $3000 a month try to work him up a little. Take the job anyway, but don't appear too eager. Flying a Navajo with 1500 hrs is pretty good.

Thanks for the great advice, Meatservo!!! Have another beer!

[wallypilot]

Regency might be long gone, but the crappy pay still remains with all the other Navajo ops in BC.

wrong...the main ones are paying better than 1900 captains at CMA....

[Doc]

This thread got moved? Why? Where to? Seems pretty "aviation" oriented to me.

I moved it back to gen comments. Who looks in salary?

[trey kule]

Good on you X-wind. Lets hope some others are inspired by your example, to demand a living wage.

As to it being better time than instructing; that is the kind of logic that perpetuates low pay as pilots will prostitute themselves for "quality time". You do a job. You should be paid for it.
the benefits of time on type and overall experience are part of the job.

I would rather hire someone who was an instructor with morals than some pilot who will whore themselves out for time on type.

Again. good on you

[Doc]

Ya made the right call.

[just curious]

In '86 I was making 50K flying a Navajo out of YRL, with a company house, and a truck. It was single pilot ecept for medevacs which were single pilot. At the time I had somewhere around 4000 hours.

For less money 22 years later, there would have to be an array of benefits for me to pick up the phone.

It doesn't sound as if the array is as stellar in your situation.

[x-wind]

I'm feeling good about the decision I made now. Thanks for the inputs and encouragement.