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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Iran.html

Eighteen years ago, Rashin Soodmand's father was hanged in Iran for converting to Christianity. Now her brother is in a Mashad jail, and expects to be executed under new religious laws brought in this summer. Alasdair Palmer reports.

I want to say how stupid religion is, but I've done that already.

I want to say how dumb people are to believe in fairy tales, but I've done that too.

Islams killing christians, christians killing islams.

Let them kill each other.

Let them die.
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Religion is just one pretext to kill people.

Religion or no religion, there will always be a reason to kill. For god, for money, for ideology, for land, for fame, for reputation, for power, for pride, for hunger, you name it, any reason is a good one - as history has shown.

Religion is not stupid, humanity is.

Going around saying religion is the root cause of all the world's problems is plain ignorant.

"Death is the solution to all problems - no man, no problem." - Stalin
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao

I think it's safe to say that these two men are individually responsible for more deaths than nearly anyone else who has ever walked this earth, and they quite clearly did not kill for God.

A good religious person is generally a peaceful person. If religions were followed the way they should be, no conflicts would happen. However, some people warp their religions into something they use to exert some sort of power over a population. In the hands of a sick, skilled, powerful, megalomanic sociopath, religion can be a very "helpful" brainwashing tool.

In that sense, i agree that religion is a powerful force that, if harnessed in the wrong way, can cause very big problems very quickly - by that i mean war, oppression, and all that goes with it.

Now, I consider myself religious, and with all due respect, who the fu%k are you to tell me that my beliefs are fairy tales?

You can't blame religions for wars just as you can't blame guns for violence. I am not pretending to understand the way our world works, I'm just saying that you don't either. The world is not that simple.

My two, albeit irritated, cents.

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AdamB wrote:Religion is just one pretext to kill people.

Religion or no religion, there will always be a reason to kill. For god, for money, for ideology, for land, for fame, for reputation, for power, for pride, for hunger, you name it, any reason is a good one - as history has shown.

Religion is not stupid, humanity is.

Going around saying religion is the root cause of all the world's problems is plain ignorant.

"Death is the solution to all problems - no man, no problem." - Stalin
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao

I think it's safe to say that these two men are individually responsible for more deaths than nearly anyone else who has ever walked this earth, and they quite clearly did not kill for God.

A good religious person is generally a peaceful person. If religions were followed the way they should be, no conflicts would happen. However, some people warp their religions into something they use to exert some sort of power over a population. In the hands of a sick, skilled, powerful, megalomanic sociopath, religion can be a very "helpful" brainwashing tool.

In that sense, i agree that religion is a powerful force that, if harnessed in the wrong way, can cause very big problems very quickly - by that i mean war, oppression, and all that goes with it.

Now, I consider myself religious, and with all due respect, who the fu%k are you to tell me that my beliefs are fairy tales?

You can't blame religions for wars just as you can't blame guns for violence. I am not pretending to understand the way our world works, I'm just saying that you don't either. The world is not that simple.

My two, albeit irritated, cents.

Adam B
Religion doesn't have to cause people to actively kill people to be bad. How about little things like the banning of condoms & immunizations. How about the tradititonal jewish practice of circumcising by sucking the foreskin off in the mans mouth. How about abortionist doctors being bombed in the name of the lord. This list is pages long, I don't want to bother typing it all out.
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iflyforpie wrote:Because atheists never kill people :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... c_of_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... viet_Union

etc, etc ad nauseum.
Commies are Athiests? hahaaa!
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As Steven Weinberg says:

"Good people will do good things. Evil people will do evil things, but for good people to do evil things, it takes religion"

Atheists have killed people eg. Stalin. But I cannot think of an atheist who killed someone in the name of their atheism.
Because atheists never kill people :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... c_of_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... viet_Union

etc, etc ad nauseum.
This is the result of a political ideology, equally cruel to all religions.


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Now, I consider myself religious, and with all due respect, who the fu%k are you to tell me that my beliefs are fairy tales?
Because they are?
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See the thing with Religious and Atheist people they both believe that they are absolutely correct, I'm more open minded to not shut out one point of view. That being said I don't have to read very far into any religion to say thanks but no thanks good story but so is Star Wars.

When some close minds folks start talking about this I usually throw out "Buddhism is the only true religion" and watch there heads explode in anger then follow that up with how do you know it isn't? They usually go off on some tangent an I knock them down with "its what I believe and your religion is what you believe, nothing is so absolute" Check and Mate.
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Ah yes, people who believe in "imaginary" friends....What do you think, Harvey?
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. wrote:See the thing with Religious and Atheist people they both believe that they are absolutely correct, I'm more open minded to not shut out one point of view. That being said I don't have to read very far into any religion to say thanks but no thanks good story but so is Star Wars.

When some close minds folks start talking about this I usually throw out "Buddhism is the only true religion" and watch there heads explode in anger then follow that up with how do you know it isn't? They usually go off on some tangent an I knock them down with "its what I believe and your religion is what you believe, nothing is so absolute" Check and Mate.
I'd like to think of myself as Agnostic. Don't really know if I believe in God but I do know that believing in God & Religion are two completely different things.
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BTD wrote:As Steven Weinberg says:

"Good people will do good things. Evil people will do evil things, but for good people to do evil things, it takes religion"

Atheists have killed people eg. Stalin. But I cannot think of an atheist who killed someone in the name of their atheism.
Excellent point!
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I believe in God.
She's black, you know.
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bmc wrote:I believe in God.
She's black, you know.
I thought George Carlin taught us that God couldn't be a woman, because a woman couldn't have screwed things up this bad. :lol:
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Personally I'm an agnostic dyslexsic because although I really don't think there is a dog I can't be sure.
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Rockie, by the time you get to the "Land of Milk and Honey" you'll be a lactose intolerant diabetic.
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Religious People are nuts.

Lets Break it down.

" THere's an invisable man who lives in the sky, and he watches everything you do.
This invisable man has a list of ten things he does not want you to do.
If you do any of these ten things he will send you to a very bad place for a eternity of fire and pain.
But he loves you!
And he needs money!"

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Religion is someone selling you something they can't produce.

Isn't that fraud?
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It's history's greatest example of "salesmanship"! How many millions are totally taken in by "this myth of Christ"?......it's so ingrained into our society, that my spell check "insists" that I use a capital "C" in Christ!
But to execute someone because of their "beliefs"? If that doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth....you ain't human.
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AdamB wrote:Religion is just one pretext to kill people.

Religion or no religion, there will always be a reason to kill. For god, for money, for ideology, for land, for fame, for reputation, for power, for pride, for hunger, you name it, any reason is a good one - as history has shown.

Religion is not stupid, humanity is.

Going around saying religion is the root cause of all the world's problems is plain ignorant.
Yes but many religions actively tell people to kill each other when practiced properly.
AdamB wrote:Religion is just one pretext to kill people.
"Death is the solution to all problems - no man, no problem." - Stalin
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao

I think it's safe to say that these two men are individually responsible for more deaths than nearly anyone else who has ever walked this earth, and they quite clearly did not kill for God.
If you honestly believe that you have some reading to do.
AdamB wrote: A good religious person is generally a peaceful person. If religions were followed the way they should be, no conflicts would happen. However, some people warp their religions into something they use to exert some sort of power over a population. In the hands of a sick, skilled, powerful, megalomanic sociopath, religion can be a very "helpful" brainwashing tool.
I'll answer with some quotes from your own group.
Pope Urban III wrote:With earnest prayer I, or rather the Lord, exhort you as heralds of Christ to urge men of all ranks, knights as well as foot soldiers, rich and poor, to hasten to terminate this vile race from our lands.
Moses wrote:Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him. But all the women-children that hath not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
AdamB wrote: In that sense, i agree that religion is a powerful force that, if harnessed in the wrong way, can cause very big problems very quickly - by that i mean war, oppression, and all that goes with it.

Now, I consider myself religious, and with all due respect, who the fu%k are you to tell me that my beliefs are fairy tales?
Who the fu%k are you to tell me that if I don't believe what you do I'm going to eternal hell.
AdamB wrote: You can't blame religions for wars just as you can't blame guns for violence. I am not pretending to understand the way our world works, I'm just saying that you don't either. The world is not that simple.

My two, albeit irritated, cents.

Adam B
Guns don't have manuals that say kill/enslave non believers and all the other fun stuff that can be found in the bible/qur'an.

My two, albeit irritated, cents.

Topspin

JESUS SAVES, HE PASSES IT TO MOSES, HE SHOOTS, HE SCORES!!!!!
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
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I could never get past the part with the talking snake....
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Topspin,
AdamB wrote:
Religion is just one pretext to kill people.
"Death is the solution to all problems - no man, no problem." - Stalin
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao

I think it's safe to say that these two men are individually responsible for more deaths than nearly anyone else who has ever walked this earth, and they quite clearly did not kill for God.

If you honestly believe that you have some reading to do.
Enlighten me, please.
Who the fu%k are you to tell me that if I don't believe what you do I'm going to eternal hell.
Maybe you should re-read what i wrote. I can't talk for any fanatic @#$! that wants to convert you to their religion.
I don't give a rats ass what you believe in, its a PERSONAL choice.
That said, it's my goddamned right to believe in whatever i want to believe in, period.
By telling me that what I believe is bullshit, you're being as invasive to me as that fucking kid who knocks on my door every now and then trying to convert me.
Guns don't have manuals that say kill/enslave non believers and all the other fun stuff that can be found in the bible/qur'an.
But they're designed specifically to kill. Other humans. Nice try though.

But arguments about religions are useless - as someone else mentionned. All they do is cause conflict.

And believe me, useless violence in any form disgusts me. I think any religious fanatic is insane, and a criminal of the worst kind.

I am far from being extremist, i only believe i have a right to believe in something, anything, and not be questionned. I don't give a damn if you're atheist, muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist or anything - as long as you don't let your religion or belief interfere with my, or somebody elses life.

So, i will never ask you to believe in my religion. I will never bother you about it. You wouldnt even be able to tell im christian if you spoke to me. So,

who the f$ck is anyone to tell me what i can and can't believe in?
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AdamB wrote: who the f$ck is anyone to tell me what i can and can't believe in?
I'm not trying to tell you anything, I was just replying to your very angry post. That's great if you're not an extremist, but all it means is that you are not practicing your religion as it was written. If you actually read the books, and the gospels, and if you are really brave a bit of the history you will see what it is all about.

If you want to live the rest of your life with wool in your eyes, fine by me. Just keep in mind if you spend your entire life leaning on a crutch you will never learn to walk properly.
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"Oi, I can see my house from up here"

Monty Python. :D
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I think any religious fanatic is insane, and a criminal of the worst kind.

I am far from being extremist, i only believe i have a right to believe in something, anything, and not be questionned
Not that it makes a difference in my life what others believe. (most days)

But Richard Dawkins makes a good point when he says that moderate religion allows extremism to surface.

Your above quote makes the point. You have a right to believe in something, and not be questioned. This is true and I doubt anybody on this site would try to take it away. But another way of saying it is "I have a right to believe in something, and I don't have to justify or rationalize the belief". Again while it is your right to do so, if you get someone who is brought up in a culture with distaste for others who do not believe as they do, they may do terrible things in the name of their unquestioned faith. They do not have to justify anything because faith has become a virtue.

It is through this method that Richard Dawkins thinks that moderate religion (though itself harmless) or any faith (belief without evidence) breeds extremism. And I'd tend to agree.

Have any religion, and extremism will be close at hand.

BTD

Question a slight stray off topic: Why is it that some people are so against life having just evolved without a supernatural purpose? I'd be able to go along just fine throughout my day if life on Earth turns out to be a cosmic accident or not unique in the universe. Wouldn't bother me one bit.
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Damn, Host of the "Feud" and quite the intellectual!? What can't you do Richard??



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