Turbine licence requirements?

[EagerFloater]

I have tried to search this but keep coming up empty handed. Do I need a ATPL to fly planes with a turbine? I don't see myself flying an airliner, I would rather get into the float scene and eventually move on to the larger float planes which may or may not have turbines.

So does it come down to passengers, type of aircraft...?
Eg. An Otter turbine, would I just basically need a CPL/ float rating?

Cheers!

[Bushav8er]

Not to be harsh but you did try CARs too right?

In quick terms (and check the CARs) ATPL = 2 crew aircraft. If its single pilot certified your good with Commercial, and a checkout of course.

[EagerFloater]

Not to be harsh but you did try CARs too right?

In quick terms (and check the CARs) ATPL = 2 crew aircraft. If its single pilot certified your good with Commercial, and a checkout of course.

No I don't find it harsh, thank you for your help. I have read some CARs just obviously not the right sections yet.

I am new to flying and don't have any family or friends in aviation so sometimes I'm not exactly sure what I should be looking for. There are so many new terms and abbreviations in this field. It can makes things hard to search for on the Transport Canada site if you don't know the proper word.

Thanks again!

[frozen solid]

...so the answer is no, you don't need a separate license to operate a turbine engine. It's just a kind of engine. In many ways more foolproof than a high performance piston engine. Licensing is most commonly predicated on aircraft weight, number of people on board, number of crewmembers required, and sometimes performance. Or combinations of these things. But for your stated purposes, no, you can fly just about any seaplane in common use with a commercial license and a seaplane rating. Most Twin Otter skippers have an ATPL but it's not even legally necessary on that aircraft.

Good luck with your career... oh, and by the way, find some real flesh n' blood pilot friends to talk to, this internet stuff is a poor substitute.

[EagerFloater]

Thanks for the clarification, and yeah I'm going to have to start rubbing elbows with some pilots experienced pilots.

[Finnegan]

Interestingly enough, if you were an Ag pilot, and were going to be flying turbines, you would be required to go to Florida to take a course for about $3K. Otherwise, you would not be insurable.
This is regardless of experience. My 10000+ hrs means nothing. I'd still have to fly a simulator and learn how to use GPS guidance system, even though I've been using GPS guidance since it was available - back in the mid-90's.

[Lost Lake]

Interestingly enough, if you were an Ag pilot, and were going to be flying turbines, you would be required to go to Florida to take a course for about $3K. Otherwise, you would not be insurable.
This is regardless of experience. My 10000+ hrs means nothing. I'd still have to fly a simulator and learn how to use GPS guidance system, even though I've been using GPS guidance since it was available - back in the mid-90's.

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[Sam300]

Interestingly enough, if you were an Ag pilot, and were going to be flying turbines, you would be required to go to Florida to take a course for about $3K. Otherwise, you would not be insurable.
This is regardless of experience. My 10000+ hrs means nothing. I'd still have to fly a simulator and learn how to use GPS guidance system, even though I've been using GPS guidance since it was available - back in the mid-90's.

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Finnegan is right, although I think it has moved from Simcom, not sure to where.

[Edo]

Is that under the air applicator association insurance or a general underwriter?

[nacho]

Must have changed since I flew a turbine Ag in Canada.
About 3 years ago flew one season and there was no need to go anywhere. Mind you, I already had some time but not in Canada.
But yes, the Ag industry has its own insurance fund and they can dictate their own rules(CAIR)

[Shotgun Chuck McCoy]

..so the answer is no, you don't need a separate license to operate a turbine engine. It's just a kind of engine. In many ways more foolproof than a high performance piston engine. Licensing is most commonly predicated on aircraft weight, number of people on board, number of crewmembers required, and sometimes performance. Or combinations of these things. But for your stated purposes, no, you can fly just about any seaplane in common use with a commercial license and a seaplane rating. Most Twin Otter skippers have an ATPL but it's not even legally necessary on that aircraft.

Good luck with your career... oh, and by the way, find some real flesh n' blood pilot friends to talk to, this internet stuff is a poor substitute.

Just a quick query here while this is in my mind - the BE02 is certified as a single crew aircraft and can be flown as such without pax on board, but to be a Cappy I was told one required the ATPL because the CARS state that the aircraft MUST have two pilots on board if carrying from 10 to 19 passengers. Does that statement in the CARs apply as the aircraft's minimum flight crew document, or is it the AFM only (or is there some other thing I am missing)? If that is the way of things with the 1900, would not the same logic apply to the Twotter when carrying more than 9 folks, and thus a Skip with such a load require an ATPL? I haven't found anything saying otherwise in the CARs, but they are confusing on this particular issue.

Thanks in advance.

SCM

[floatpilot]

you need an atpl if there is more than 9 pax.

[Northern Flyer]

And you can fly any single pilot aircraft such as the BE20 single pilot with up to 9 passengers. With a standard CPL. How ever there are some other factors involved such as your op's manual has to allow for single pilot op's.

[SII]

you need an atpl if there is more than 9 pax.

that's not right, read the CAR's again.

[floatpilot]

mabe you could post the part of the Cars. I can't seem to find it. I know for sure that I can not haul more than 9 pax on the dhc3-t on a revenue trip(single pilot).

[SII]

mabe you could post the part of the Cars. I can't seem to find it. I know for sure that I can not haul more than 9 pax on the dhc3-t on a revenue trip(single pilot).

Harbour Air hauls 13 pax with their DHC-3T. Not sure if the plane is granfathered or the Operation is?

[Bushav8er]

703.24 Number of Passengers in Single-Engined Aircraft
No air operator shall operate a single-engined aircraft with more than nine passengers on board unless

(a) the aircraft is a transport category helicopter;

(b) the air operator is authorized to do so in its air operator certificate; and

(c) the air operator complies with the Commercial Air Service Standards.

723.24 Number of Passengers in Single-Engined Aeroplanes

Operations Specifications for carrying more than 9 passengers in a single-engine aircraft are not applicable to aeroplanes.

For 704 Ops:
Aircraft must have 2 pilots when 10 or more pax are carried in VFR or operating IFR.

mabe you could post the part of the Cars. I can't seem to find it. I know for sure that I can not haul more than 9 pax on the dhc3-t on a revenue trip(single pilot).

The T Otter only has 9 seats doesn't it? (not including pilot). Infants under two don't require a seat and can be carried on a lap however I think you'll find that under the law - not CARs - an infant can be defined as a 'person' so I wouldn't carry them that way.

[SII]

Harbour Air only operates their DHC-3T's single pilot

http://www.harbour-air.com/fleet.php

[Rowdy]

mabe you could post the part of the Cars. I can't seem to find it. I know for sure that I can not haul more than 9 pax on the dhc3-t on a revenue trip(single pilot).

Harbour Air hauls 13 pax with their DHC-3T. Not sure if the plane is granfathered or the Operation is?

14, and it's not anything to do with being grandfathered. It requires a set training schedule and PPC on the machine that is far more intensive than the standard PCC to allow them to be flown in that category single pilot. I'm also forgetting a pile about operational control requirements...

[SII]

mabe you could post the part of the Cars. I can't seem to find it. I know for sure that I can not haul more than 9 pax on the dhc3-t on a revenue trip(single pilot).

Harbour Air hauls 13 pax with their DHC-3T. Not sure if the plane is granfathered or the Operation is?

14, and it's not anything to do with being grandfathered. It requires a set training schedule and PPC on the machine that is far more intensive than the standard PCC to allow them to be flown in that category single pilot. I'm also forgetting a pile about operational control requirements...

The CAR's have been provided for you 2 posts above yours, It has everything to do with being granfathered. Their operating 14 pax 703.

[floatpilot]

The otter I fly has 10 passanger seats 1 pilot seat. I don't recall seeing them configured any other way? 4 on the left, five on the right, and one beside me. how are the harbour air otters configured?

[SII]

The otter I fly has 10 passanger seats 1 pilot seat. I don't recall seeing them configured any other way? 4 on the left, five on the right, and one beside me. how are the harbour air otters configured?

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... T+interior

third picture down

[floatpilot]

thanks. sure makes the old girl look nice!