Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

[downtomda]

How many foreign pilots are there flying in Canada? Is there a limit on how many temporary licences Transport Canada issues? Why must companies like Sunwing and Canjet bring in foreign pilots to fly when Canada is saturated with high time pilots? I mean, yeah its cheaper then training their own pilots, but still foreign pilots still need to train!

[ajet32]

The foreign pilots already have time and experience on type. so the training is relatively short and sweet. A sim or two followed by a ride , in addition to a company ground school on operations. They arrive do their thing and leave at seasons end back to their position in Germany,France or the Netherlands
This is all very convenient for the mentioned companies.
I would suspect they go to their favorite politician and say hey I need some extra guys for the winter and their are no trained B737NG pilots available so let me bring in 30 for the winter. The local politician goes to Ottawa and presto visa's approved everybody happy.( Except Canadian pilot )
Training Canadian pilots would take 6-8 weeks and then there is line indoc and line training and all that important stuff. All of which comes out of the bottom line. So saving money becomes all important.

This is just an opinion.

[mel gibson]

I think a portion of the profit that is made
be given to the Canadian college of pilots and then
redistributed to the navajo pilots etc in the industry.
Better yet, have all flying done by third world
foreign pilots , pay them in Taco time coupons,
and collect their salary on their behalf. Good deal,
we can sit on Avcanada all night, and talk about
flying, but that would be about it. A few hull losses
do not bother me. I would not miss any playoffs.

Btw Westjet ( usa 3000) and Cargojet ( former Champion air )
can be included in this list.

Lets all unite!!!
Oh wait popcorn is ready.
Pathetic

[3down&loct]

Unless Canadian company's can prove that there are no qualified pilots to hire from Canada then they should not be allowed to hire foreign pilots. Total BS.

[whiteguy]

How many foreign pilots are there flying in Canada? Is there a limit on how many temporary licences Transport Canada issues? Why must companies like Sunwing and Canjet bring in foreign pilots to fly when Canada is saturated with high time pilots? I mean, yeah its cheaper then training their own pilots, but still foreign pilots still need to train!

So what's the difference when Sunwing pilots go to Europe and fly during the summer?

[prop2jet]

Out of curiosity, how many Sunwing Pilots (on an active roster) go over to Europe in the summer and how many European pilots come over here in the winter. Is there a balance?

[Gino Under]

One thing's for certain.
The pilots most affected by this idiotic situation aren't even contesting the practice by using all available means to try and change it. Those most affected Canadian pilots would gladly spend their idle time protesting on this (and other) forums which is going to net them absolutely nothing and change nothing.
Perhaps their time would be better spent making an appointment with their elected Federal MP and explaning to him/her how this practice by Sunwing and Canjet is being allowed and illustrating how it is affecting the livlihoods of Canadian pilots affected by Government tolerance.

Maybe then things would change?

Who cares about balance? Whether Canjet or Sunwing have similar deals in Europe has SFA to do with this. Germans flying in Canada has nothing to do with a Canadian charter airline flying in the UK during summer. Let the Europeans fight their own battles.
Wait. They do.

Sunwing and Canjet don't want to pay the price...
tough!

Fcuk 'em.

Gino Under

[prop2jet]

Perhaps their time would be better spent making an appointment with their elected Federal MP and explaning to him/her how this practice by Sunwing and Canjet is being allowed and illustrating how it is affecting the livlihoods of Canadian pilots affected by Government tolerance

The Feds create the rules and complaining to the elected MP's won't do squat. Sunwing, Canjet and any other operator plays the usual game seeking out type rated pilots to fill the seasonal vacancies, and lo and behold they find few if any and then get the regulatory approvals to bring in the "Foreign Labour". I think we know how the game is played. It is only a matter of time but globalization will hit this industry much like it has every other one and the work will go to the lowest cost labour force.

If the Government can score more points by defending the "little people" vs business, then perhaps you will see some kind of change. But given the numbers are rather small I doubt anything will change.

[bigskyjoc]

As far as I know Sunwing has sent hundreds of pilots overseas in the past 5 years and Canjet has sent a big fat "0".

So to paint both of them with the same brush is a bit rich.

[CJ6]

Seriously guys....give it up already.

This thread pops up once a year every year...not sure if its the same people or new people coming on and not knowing that this has been discussed 100 times already.

You could pick apart any Company in this industry. Don't you have something better to do on your days off?

[URC]

And now even more foreign pilots flying for a Canadian company, now flying Canadians to the UK this summer .....

http://www.britflights.com/

Britflights Inc a company registered and incorporated in Alberta, Canada, having its registered office at Suite 2600, 144-4th Ave SW, Calgary, AB, T2P 3N4.

Will there be any Canadian pilots left flying in Canada in 20 years !?

[Gino Under]

This B.S. has been going of for decades and still, Canadian pilots, Canadian pilot unions haven't, won't and don't do a thing about it. So, why bother even to ask? Half the idiots out there 'accept' it. A quarter don't 'giva' and the rest haven't a clue.
No wonder some of you think the Government and the Operators have it over the Canadian pilot. That's because in typical Canadian fashion, the bitchin' is over the backyard fence, around a Timmy's, sittin' up front, or typing away on the keyboard like this.
If this 'practice' by some Canadian operators bothers you, go to your MP's office and give him an earfull. If you or someone affected by the 'practice' is really bugged by it, they too should go face-to-face with their MP. In fact, go together. If MPs were truly informed enough times by those adversely affected, the 'practice' would either come to an end or seriously be curtailed.

For those NOT paying attention, look at the number of Canadian pilots heading overseas because of shite like this going on. If the government doesn't soon wake up and clue into what's going on it won't matter. There just won't be a pilot shortage, there will be none or very few pilots and that's not good for anyone on any level.

Gino Under

CJ6 - If CJ leased the additional airframes and hired the advertised minimums or slightly more, they'd have the crews. No operator in Canada HAS to wet lease.

[BLZD1]

ACPA has been in YOW fighting this but the government are a bunch of idiots. We ACPA members are paying union dues to fight this! Not sure if Westjet or Jazz (ALPA) are.

[HavaJava]

You could pick apart any Company in this industry. Don't you have something better to do on your days off?

The Scumbag (read East Coast...oops, did I say that out loud ) operators are just way easier to pick apart than the others.

[CJ6]

LOL.

So is AC considered East Coast...cause I'm sure we could pick them apart pretty good. (And I work there)

Like I said...could pick apart any Company east or west coast...dosent make a difference...let it go.

[double-j]

LOL.

So is AC considered East Coast...cause I'm sure we could pick them apart pretty good. (And I work there)

Like I said...could pick apart any Company east or west coast...dosent make a difference...let it go.

Ummm... You sure you work at AC? I ask cause as of summer 2010 you were canjet, your previous posts point to it. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I can understand that this gets old real fast..

Jj

[CJ6]

LOA...

[CJ6]

and not missing it...hence my query into WJ at one point in the past...but not worth it now.

[double-j]

My apologies. I agree that regurgitating the same thread annually becomes tiresome.

Jj

[whiteguy]

ACPA has been in YOW fighting this but the government are a bunch of idiots. We ACPA members are paying union dues to fight this! Not sure if Westjet or Jazz (ALPA) are.

Why would WJ fight it? Look who's flying their YYC/YEG to Hawaii routes.

[Rotten Apple #1]

Why would WJ fight it? Look who's flying their YYC/YEG to Hawaii routes.

whiteguy, WJ approached all of the '757 wet lease' outfits in Canada for expressions of interest in operating the runs you mention, but none of them wanted the business! (Think Mexican apple pickers in the Okanagan...)

[RenegadeAV8R]

This B.S. has been going of for decades and still, Canadian pilots, Canadian pilot unions haven't, won't and don't do a thing about it. So, why bother even to ask? Half the idiots out there 'accept' it. A quarter don't 'giva' and the rest haven't a clue.
No wonder some of you think the Government and the Operators have it over the Canadian pilot. That's because in typical Canadian fashion, the bitchin' is over the backyard fence, around a Timmy's, sittin' up front, or typing away on the keyboard like this.
If this 'practice' by some Canadian operators bothers you, go to your MP's office and give him an earfull. If you or someone affected by the 'practice' is really bugged by it, they too should go face-to-face with their MP. In fact, go together. If MPs were truly informed enough times by those adversely affected, the 'practice' would either come to an end or seriously be curtailed.

For those NOT paying attention, look at the number of Canadian pilots heading overseas because of shite like this going on. If the government doesn't soon wake up and clue into what's going on it won't matter. There just won't be a pilot shortage, there will be none or very few pilots and that's not good for anyone on any level.

Gino Under

CJ6 - If CJ leased the additional airframes and hired the advertised minimums or slightly more, they'd have the crews. No operator in Canada HAS to wet lease.

+1

[av8tor94]

Britflights will be operated by Air Atlanta which is a bottom feeder to bottom feeders using a B-747-300 on wetlease.

[.......]

WJ approached all of the '757 wet lease' outfits in Canada for expressions of interest in operating the runs you mention, but none of them wanted the business! (Think Mexican apple pickers in the Okanagan...)

All of the '757 wet lease' outfits in Canada??? Is this what we call sarcasm?

[fly4ever]

maybe jazz can do it for them next season!