Hard Choice Ahead
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Les Habitants
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Re: Hard Choice Ahead
Have you tried getting a job on the ramp? Or just instructor jobs? I'd recommend getting jobs on the ramp-much more valuable experience than instructing, and it shouldn't be too hard nowadays to get them.
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you haven't been hearing back because you probably only have roughly 200 hours like hundreds of thousands of other pilots. Have you actually visited any of these places you want to work at?
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It has nothing to do with how much dual or solo you have at this point. As mentioned above it is because you have nothing but a fresh CPL and no real experience. I respectfully disagree with Les Habitants who mentioned above that a ramp job is better experience than instructing, personally I feel they are both equally good in their own ways for reasons I won't get into here since it's been discussed and beaten to death in the flight training forum and other places.
What you need to do to find a job when you have no experience is to offer more than just being a pilot. You need to somehow learn how an operation works and show the employer that they aren't taking a big risk by letting you fly their planes. You can start by working on the ramp as mentioned above, or working the front desk at a flight school, teaching ground school.
Go around, meet some people and shake some hands, if you keep at 'er, eventually someone will be able to offer you something.
Good luck!
What you need to do to find a job when you have no experience is to offer more than just being a pilot. You need to somehow learn how an operation works and show the employer that they aren't taking a big risk by letting you fly their planes. You can start by working on the ramp as mentioned above, or working the front desk at a flight school, teaching ground school.
Go around, meet some people and shake some hands, if you keep at 'er, eventually someone will be able to offer you something.
Good luck!
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wallypilot
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Re: Hard Choice Ahead
More than anything else, this is the key. If you follow this advice, it will be the quickest path to a job. Get out there, meet people, and keep in touch with them after.KK7 wrote:
Go around, meet some people and shake some hands, if you keep at 'er, eventually someone will be able to offer you something.
Good luck!
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Les Habitants
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X2, regardless of my opinion, and regardless of which path you choose, this is exactly the key to getting a job. It took me over a year of doing this before I finally got my first ramp job. 9 months later, I'm flying some heavy turbine equipment, having started with only 300 hours.wallypilot wrote:More than anything else, this is the key. If you follow this advice, it will be the quickest path to a job. Get out there, meet people, and keep in touch with them after.KK7 wrote:
Go around, meet some people and shake some hands, if you keep at 'er, eventually someone will be able to offer you something.
Good luck!
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Prairie Chicken
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Ditto. It's all about networking, who you know, being there all the time, and being there when there is an opening.
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Re: Hard Choice Ahead
Time can be a huge determinant in many job applications, but at the Class 4 Instructor entry level position, no. It is an entry level position. As long as you have the time for the licence and endorsement, good enough. Schools who insist on more usually do so knowing that they have someone on staff who is bailing as soon as they can, so they need a 3 or a 2. They just don't want to pay more for a 2 who isn't required right that day.
Medevac Captain or FO, or a company that has clients adopting Contrail Standards, different story.
Medevac Captain or FO, or a company that has clients adopting Contrail Standards, different story.
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Oor Wullie
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lol @ "more valuable."Les Habitants wrote:Have you tried getting a job on the ramp? Or just instructor jobs? I'd recommend getting jobs on the ramp-much more valuable experience than instructing, and it shouldn't be too hard nowadays to get them.
Both have their advantages/disadvantages.
Everyone makes mistakes. The trick is to make mistakes when nobody is looking.
Some days you're the dog, somedays you're the fire hydrant.
Some days you're the dog, somedays you're the fire hydrant.
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I think you meant "large"?I'm flying some heavy turbine equipment
max takeoff weight 250,000 kilograms 551,155 pounds
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You can interpret that however you would like.
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flyboynextdoor
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Hey Slider,
Its easy to think when you are first starting out in Aviation thats its all about how many hours you have in your logbook that will determine how fast or how good of a job you will get when you first start looking. Let me tell you its not. Its about ATTITUDE! And your ability to network your attitude shaking hands and meeting people. Since you have a CPL, a class 4 Instructor rating, and a Group 1 IFR it means somebody can hire you, but you have to give them a reason to. At this piont 10 or even a 100 more wont do it. Instructing is a great way to get lots of PIC for the ATP and great experience. If the school has a twin later you can start getting multi PIC! With your group 1 you can fly as an FO on a king air or similar plane. Nobody is going to hire you to use your Group 1 to fly single pilot IFR in a light twin NOBODY!!!. I was under the same impression when I decided to get the group 1 before the instructor rating. It took me 5 years of waiting before I realized this. I got my instructor rating 5 years after and started working immediately. Two years after that I had my ATP, two years more and I'm Captain on a Beech 200 medevac. Good luck with your goals, they are do-able. Keep current and sharp but remember its more about your attitude than your logbook at this point. When you get in the right place at the right time you'll find a job.
Its easy to think when you are first starting out in Aviation thats its all about how many hours you have in your logbook that will determine how fast or how good of a job you will get when you first start looking. Let me tell you its not. Its about ATTITUDE! And your ability to network your attitude shaking hands and meeting people. Since you have a CPL, a class 4 Instructor rating, and a Group 1 IFR it means somebody can hire you, but you have to give them a reason to. At this piont 10 or even a 100 more wont do it. Instructing is a great way to get lots of PIC for the ATP and great experience. If the school has a twin later you can start getting multi PIC! With your group 1 you can fly as an FO on a king air or similar plane. Nobody is going to hire you to use your Group 1 to fly single pilot IFR in a light twin NOBODY!!!. I was under the same impression when I decided to get the group 1 before the instructor rating. It took me 5 years of waiting before I realized this. I got my instructor rating 5 years after and started working immediately. Two years after that I had my ATP, two years more and I'm Captain on a Beech 200 medevac. Good luck with your goals, they are do-able. Keep current and sharp but remember its more about your attitude than your logbook at this point. When you get in the right place at the right time you'll find a job.
