Air Cadet Program = Hitler Youth?
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Air Cadet Program = Hitler Youth?
As an ex Civilian Instructor for Power and Gliding Scholarship Programs portion of the Air Cadet Program, I'm a strong believer and supporter of Air Cadets. Many well motivated young people in this country over the decades worked and obtained licences through hard work and determination. For the family backgrounds of some of these young people, the cost of a licence may as well have been priced in the millions as far as being able to be assisted by their parents.
I'm proud of having made that contribution to the character development of these young persons, and having provided the first flight experience for lots of them through "Fam Flights."
The value of that program is not shared by all. Here is a reprint of an article in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix printed today, written by a Mr. John Bury who would seem to have an excellent future as a human shield.
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http://www.thestarphoenix.com/life/dive ... story.html
Air Cadets Unwelcome
By John Bury, The StarPhoenix April 8, 2011 I went to the farmers' market last weekend and found myself offended to be met at the doors by pairs of smiling air cadets collecting for their cause.
What is this nation doing training young girls and boys in the traditions of an air force?
When I returned home it was to discover from the radio that aeroplanes had done what they do best -killed 13 civilians in Libya through mistaken targeting. NATO was apologizing.
If we have learned one thing since the Second World War, it's that the principal effect of aircraft in war is to kill civilians and destroy their homes.
Indeed Winston Churchill's expectation of British bombing was that it would be a demoralizing, anti-civilian weapon. "Shock and awe" at the commencement of the second Gulf War was just that. Most of the civilian deaths in Iraq were caused by attacks from the air. The same story applies to the role of the air war in Afghanistan, and there again we are apologizing.
And we're now doing so in Libya. To top it all, the government has decided to waste between $9 billion and maybe $30 billion to purchase 65 stealth fighters so they can do this work better.
work better. Is this what our nation has come to, and is this what we need to teach our young? Oh Canada!
John Bury
Saskatoon
Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/cade ... z1Iz68O2Bb
I'm proud of having made that contribution to the character development of these young persons, and having provided the first flight experience for lots of them through "Fam Flights."
The value of that program is not shared by all. Here is a reprint of an article in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix printed today, written by a Mr. John Bury who would seem to have an excellent future as a human shield.
The Old Fogducker
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/life/dive ... story.html
Air Cadets Unwelcome
By John Bury, The StarPhoenix April 8, 2011 I went to the farmers' market last weekend and found myself offended to be met at the doors by pairs of smiling air cadets collecting for their cause.
What is this nation doing training young girls and boys in the traditions of an air force?
When I returned home it was to discover from the radio that aeroplanes had done what they do best -killed 13 civilians in Libya through mistaken targeting. NATO was apologizing.
If we have learned one thing since the Second World War, it's that the principal effect of aircraft in war is to kill civilians and destroy their homes.
Indeed Winston Churchill's expectation of British bombing was that it would be a demoralizing, anti-civilian weapon. "Shock and awe" at the commencement of the second Gulf War was just that. Most of the civilian deaths in Iraq were caused by attacks from the air. The same story applies to the role of the air war in Afghanistan, and there again we are apologizing.
And we're now doing so in Libya. To top it all, the government has decided to waste between $9 billion and maybe $30 billion to purchase 65 stealth fighters so they can do this work better.
work better. Is this what our nation has come to, and is this what we need to teach our young? Oh Canada!
John Bury
Saskatoon
Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/cade ... z1Iz68O2Bb
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I had my "go fu(k yourself" all lined up when I initially saw the title of this thread, my apologies Mr. Fogducker. I will now forward them to Mr. Bury instead.The Old Fogducker wrote:As an ex Civilian Instructor for Power and Gliding Scholarship Programs portion of the Air Cadet Program, I'm a strong believer and supporter of Air Cadets. Many well motivated young people in this country over the decades worked and obtained licences through hard work and determination. For the family backgrounds of some of these young people, the cost of a licence may as well have been priced in the millions as far as being able to be assisted by their parents.
I'm proud of having made that contribution to the character development of these young persons, and having provided the first flight experience for lots of them through "Fam Flights."
The value of that program is not shared by all. Here is a reprint of an article in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix printed today, written by a Mr. John Bury who would seem to have an excellent future as a human shield.
The Old Fogducker
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/life/dive ... story.html
Air Cadets Unwelcome
By John Bury, The StarPhoenix April 8, 2011 I went to the farmers' market last weekend and found myself offended to be met at the doors by pairs of smiling air cadets collecting for their cause.
What is this nation doing training young girls and boys in the traditions of an air force?
When I returned home it was to discover from the radio that aeroplanes had done what they do best -killed 13 civilians in Libya through mistaken targeting. NATO was apologizing.
If we have learned one thing since the Second World War, it's that the principal effect of aircraft in war is to kill civilians and destroy their homes.
Indeed Winston Churchill's expectation of British bombing was that it would be a demoralizing, anti-civilian weapon. "Shock and awe" at the commencement of the second Gulf War was just that. Most of the civilian deaths in Iraq were caused by attacks from the air. The same story applies to the role of the air war in Afghanistan, and there again we are apologizing.
And we're now doing so in Libya. To top it all, the government has decided to waste between $9 billion and maybe $30 billion to purchase 65 stealth fighters so they can do this work better.
work better. Is this what our nation has come to, and is this what we need to teach our young? Oh Canada!
John Bury
Saskatoon
Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/cade ... z1Iz68O2Bb
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Whenever I see any Cadets, (whether it is Navy, Army, or Air) holding a tag day, selling Remembrance Day Poppies, a bake sale, etc, I always make a point of walking over and speaking with them about the program, what they get from it, how do they like it, why did they join, what kind of activities do they like best, are their friends in the organization, do they get ribbed by some of their schoolmates about being in cadets, what do they want to do with their future, etc.
I never fail to encourage them, tell them they are tomorrow's community leaders, and to be proud of their sense of values.
Then I'll drop 5 bucks in their tin and head off.
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I never fail to encourage them, tell them they are tomorrow's community leaders, and to be proud of their sense of values.
Then I'll drop 5 bucks in their tin and head off.
The Old Fogducker
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+1toelessjoe wrote:I had my "go fu(k yourself" all lined up when I initially saw the title of this thread, my apologies Mr. Fogducker. I will now forward them to Mr. Bury instead.
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Here is an article from a few years ago that I kept... It is a fine example of the program and the cadets that I have been privileged to know over the years.
“Gang” Member With a Difference
When Cadet Sgt Eileen Carter of 848 (Royal Roads) Sqn, RC Air Cadets read a story in the Victoria Times-Colonist about youth gangs she decided to write a letter to the editor. The following is the letter as it appeared in the 7 Jun 1997 newspaper:
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The other day I read an article in your newspaper. It spoke about how worried authorities are about youth who have little to do, and so become members of gangs. I happen to be a youth, and I disagree with some of the opinions raised in this article. You see, I am a member of a gang.
My gang’s colour is blue. We wear blue hats, blue shirts, blue pants and army boots. If we are lucky, we will become important members of the gang, and have the right to influence the junior members. W e meet regularly to plan our activities and participate in complex rituals, and we even train in self-defense and leadership. Are you scared yet?
The difference between me and the youth mentioned in that article is that my gang is productive. We learn discipline, respect and courage. We are taught to teach classes, to survive in the wilderness, to play musical instruments, to perform first aid and even how to fly airplanes. Ours is a gang with a purpose.
I am a member of 848 (Royal Roads) Sqn RC Air Cadets. I am writing to let Victoria know that not all youth are horrible. Some of us hold doors for the elderly, call people "sir" and "ma'am," and know the words to the national anthem. You'll see us in parades, marching proudly, or in your parks, removing garbage. You’ll recognize us — we're the ones in blue. We’re the ones who will be the future doctors, teachers and leaders. We are going somewhere. So yes, I am a member of a gang. But if you had the choice, wouldn't you be in my gang, too?
Sgt Eileen Carter
848 (Royal Roads) Sqn RC Air Cadets
Victoria, BC
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Absolutely superb CD.
Thanks for your input, and I'm glad you saved that piece ... very timely.
Thanks for your input, and I'm glad you saved that piece ... very timely.
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I doubt I shall be a subscriber of Mr Bury.
Aside from being one of those Militaristic teenage thugs that he decries, I see a phenomenal number of pathetic kids on their way to jail detox and occaisionally the morgue who could have benefited from the cadets.
A large number of my peers would never have been able to afford the entry into our profession without the Air Cadets.
I'm thankful that the Star only has a dozen or so paid subscribers.
I doubt I shall be a subscriber of Mr Bury.
Aside from being one of those Militaristic teenage thugs that he decries, I see a phenomenal number of pathetic kids on their way to jail detox and occaisionally the morgue who could have benefited from the cadets.
A large number of my peers would never have been able to afford the entry into our profession without the Air Cadets.
I'm thankful that the Star only has a dozen or so paid subscribers.
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I am so upset by this , I actually had to calm down before typing this. I spent five years as an aircadet..Everything that Sgt says is true..Summer camp in Quebec, gliding scholarship, power scholarship. Short hair and neat clothes in the 60s.
I will be writing the Star Phoenix about Mr. Bury's article, and I am asking everyone else who has been associated with the Air Cadet League to also write them (email).
Please, if you have been associated with the ACL of Canada, take the few minutes to voice your displeasure. those kids in the article will have read it too.
I will be writing the Star Phoenix about Mr. Bury's article, and I am asking everyone else who has been associated with the Air Cadet League to also write them (email).
Please, if you have been associated with the ACL of Canada, take the few minutes to voice your displeasure. those kids in the article will have read it too.
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The whole cadet thing isn't a terrible idea in my opinion. That being said, I think spending the number of unnecessary tax dollars that could be better used elsewhere needs to change. I would rather see taxes being given to Scouts Canada than to the various cadet programs.
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What an informed comment. Exactly how much of your tax dollars go to the Air Cadet League of Canada? Do a bit of research.
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Oh cool, you disagree with me.
In scouting the leaders get paid $0.
In the summer my sister gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to help instruct band for cadets at a camp. She also receives money for travel expenses to and from the camp.
I think that's wrong. You're more than welcome to disagree with me.
In scouting the leaders get paid $0.
In the summer my sister gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to help instruct band for cadets at a camp. She also receives money for travel expenses to and from the camp.
I think that's wrong. You're more than welcome to disagree with me.
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<<<BigglesNBella Post subject: Re: Air Cadet Program = Hitler Youth?Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:20 am
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Location: The Wet Coast The whole cadet thing isn't a terrible idea in my opinion. That being said, I think spending the number of unnecessary tax dollars that could be better used elsewhere needs to change. I would rather see taxes being given to Scouts Canada than to the various cadet programs. >>>
I doubt it very much that you would have that opinion if you had been a cadet. What do you deem unnecessary tax dollars?
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I doubt it very much that you would have that opinion if you had been a cadet. What do you deem unnecessary tax dollars?
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You might be right about that. I just don't like the fact that the military uses government money to pay someone, for example, over $20 an hour to instruct some teens to play band while additionally supplying free room and board AND covering travel expenses. I don't mean unnecessary as in they shouldn't be spending money on these things. I just mean that I think they spend too much on it.Moose47 wrote:<<<BigglesNBella Post subject: Re: Air Cadet Program = Hitler Youth?Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:20 am
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Location: The Wet Coast The whole cadet thing isn't a terrible idea in my opinion. That being said, I think spending the number of unnecessary tax dollars that could be better used elsewhere needs to change. I would rather see taxes being given to Scouts Canada than to the various cadet programs. >>>
I doubt it very much that you would have that opinion if you had been a cadet. What do you deem unnecessary tax dollars?
I think that if the same number of dollars were injected into an organization more like scouting then more youth would be positively affected by it.
Just my opinion.

edit: Just to clarify I am NOT agreeing with the article in the original post.
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Were you ever a Cadet?
The various Cadet programs are one of the best things available to youth in Canada. Funding should be increased to both Cadets and Scout, not cut. To me the scouts were always a like a primary school of youth programs (no offence intended) while Cadets was more like a finishing school. While Scouts builds confidence and teaches life skill the Cadets takes these youths and teaches them discipline, leadership as well as and further expands their skill set.
I credit the Air Cadets for helping me get my career started. The flying scholarships available are generally a reward for hard work and dedication and trust me nothing is "given" to anyone. The competition for these scholarships is pretty intense with an exam, personal interview as well as a recommendation from the squadron commander.
I will have no problem if any of my children want to join the Cadet program and always donate whenever I run across them.
John Bury has confirmed himself as being an ill informed closed minded fool.
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The various Cadet programs are one of the best things available to youth in Canada. Funding should be increased to both Cadets and Scout, not cut. To me the scouts were always a like a primary school of youth programs (no offence intended) while Cadets was more like a finishing school. While Scouts builds confidence and teaches life skill the Cadets takes these youths and teaches them discipline, leadership as well as and further expands their skill set.
I credit the Air Cadets for helping me get my career started. The flying scholarships available are generally a reward for hard work and dedication and trust me nothing is "given" to anyone. The competition for these scholarships is pretty intense with an exam, personal interview as well as a recommendation from the squadron commander.
I will have no problem if any of my children want to join the Cadet program and always donate whenever I run across them.
John Bury has confirmed himself as being an ill informed closed minded fool.
Cheers
DW
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BigglesNBella wrote:The whole cadet thing isn't a terrible idea in my opinion. That being said, I think spending the number of unnecessary tax dollars that could be better used elsewhere needs to change. I would rather see taxes being given to Scouts Canada than to the various cadet programs.
Your comment was the most uneducated comment I have read on Avcanada in a long time. I am a scholership trained pilot and, by now, have payed a lot of taxes to this country since. I was a scholership instructer for a number of years and was an unpaid volunteer. It was a source of pride to me to help get some kids started in a program that was mostly locally financed.
You should try it some time. It might give you a new appreciation of what it all means.
What is the advantage of Scouts over Air Cadets? Most scouts cannot get a carreer from a scout camp, or program as far as I know.
If you fly on a modern air liner, chances are that one or the other pilots got started in Air Cadets.
Also, the disipline taught in Air Cadets prevents a lot of kids from eventualy using tax dollars in way worse ways than air cadets few dollars.
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You've missed my point. I am not trying to say that I disagree with cadets or that the should be shut down. All I said was that I think there is too much money being spent on it.beaverbob wrote:BigglesNBella wrote:The whole cadet thing isn't a terrible idea in my opinion. That being said, I think spending the number of unnecessary tax dollars that could be better used elsewhere needs to change. I would rather see taxes being given to Scouts Canada than to the various cadet programs.
Your comment was the most uneducated comment I have read on Avcanada in a long time. I am a scholership trained pilot and, by now, have payed a lot of taxes to this country since. I was a scholership instructer for a number of years and was an unpaid volunteer. It waqs a source of pride to me to help get some kids started in a program that was mostly locally financed.
You should try it some time. It might give you a new appreciation of what it all means.
What is the advantage of Scouts over Air Cadets? Most scouts cannot get a carreer from a scout camp, or program as far as I know.
If you fly on a modern air liner, chances are that one or the other pilots got started in Air Cadets.
Also, the disipline taught in Air Cadets prevents a lot of kids from eventualy using tax dollars in way worse ways than air cadets few dollars.
Bob
No I was not in cadets. The experiences of my friends who were deterred me from trying to join.Double Wasp wrote:Were you ever a Cadet?
The various Cadet programs are one of the best things available to youth in Canada. Funding should be increased to both Cadets and Scout, not cut. To me the scouts were always a like a primary school of youth programs (no offence intended) while Cadets was more like a finishing school. While Scouts builds confidence and teaches life skill the Cadets takes these youths and teaches them discipline, leadership as well as and further expands their skill set.
I credit the Air Cadets for helping me get my career started. The flying scholarships available are generally a reward for hard work and dedication and trust me nothing is "given" to anyone. The competition for these scholarships is pretty intense with an exam, personal interview as well as a recommendation from the squadron commander.
I will have no problem if any of my children want to join the Cadet program and always donate whenever I run across them.
John Bury has confirmed himself as being an ill informed closed minded fool.
Cheers
DW
I hope it's not like this all over Canada, but where I grew up the cadet groups seemed to consist of a few bright individuals who used the tools provided by cadets to get ahead of life. The remainder, however, were problem children who were dumped into the program by their parents because they didn't know what to do with their kids anymore. For example, all three of the girls in this particular group are now single mothers with high school educations. Considering that some of the boys were dealing drugs after cadet meetings, I doubt very much that my parents would have even allowed me to join had I asked to.
I'm going to really get it from the old boys who grew up in cadets decades ago after that comment, but that was how it was when I was a teen. Take it or leave it. Maybe things have changed for the worse within the program?
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I think BigsNbella has been educated 
http://www.aircadetleague.com/en/supportingaircadets/
http://www.aircadetleague.bc.ca/
www.aircadetleaguemb.ca/League/Pamphlet.pdf
Is this enough?

http://www.aircadetleague.com/en/supportingaircadets/
http://www.aircadetleague.bc.ca/
www.aircadetleaguemb.ca/League/Pamphlet.pdf
Is this enough?
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I've looked through those links, what am I looking for?beaverbob wrote:I think BigsNbella has been educated
http://www.aircadetleague.com/en/supportingaircadets/
http://www.aircadetleague.bc.ca/
http://www.aircadetleaguemb.ca/League/Pamphlet.pdf
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I cherished my time in Air Cadets. You would be surprised how many famous Canadians were Air Cadets, Army Cdets or Sea Cadets.
Here are some influential former Air Cadets -
Barbara Bonfiglio, Electronica Disc Jockey also known as Misstress Barbara
George Canyon, Country and Western singer and Honoray Colonel at 14 Wing Greenwood
Joe Clark, former Prime Minister
Garde Gardom, former Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia
Marc Garneau, astronaut, Member of Parliament
Chris Hadfield, astronaut
Jeremy Hansen, astronaut
Ray Hnatyshyn, former Governor General of Canada
Fred Penner, musician and children's entertainer
Tyrone Pile, retired Rear Admiral - Commander Maritime Forces Pacific
Steven Point, Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia
Brian Tobin, former Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador (*I sat behind him in Grade 6 up in Goose Bay, Labrador)
General Walter Natynczyk, current Chief of the Defence Staff
Colonel Paul Keddy, Commander 15 Wing, Moose Jaw
Maryse Carmichael, first female Snowbird and Commanding Officer of the Snowbirds
Dr. Richard N. MacLennan, Professor & Head of Psychology, University of Regina
Raymond L. McFeetors, current president and CEO of Great West Life
Mike de Jong, BC politician
Rick Mercer, comedian
Jim Carrey, comedian
Here are some influential former Air Cadets -
Barbara Bonfiglio, Electronica Disc Jockey also known as Misstress Barbara
George Canyon, Country and Western singer and Honoray Colonel at 14 Wing Greenwood
Joe Clark, former Prime Minister
Garde Gardom, former Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia
Marc Garneau, astronaut, Member of Parliament
Chris Hadfield, astronaut
Jeremy Hansen, astronaut
Ray Hnatyshyn, former Governor General of Canada
Fred Penner, musician and children's entertainer
Tyrone Pile, retired Rear Admiral - Commander Maritime Forces Pacific
Steven Point, Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia
Brian Tobin, former Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador (*I sat behind him in Grade 6 up in Goose Bay, Labrador)
General Walter Natynczyk, current Chief of the Defence Staff
Colonel Paul Keddy, Commander 15 Wing, Moose Jaw
Maryse Carmichael, first female Snowbird and Commanding Officer of the Snowbirds
Dr. Richard N. MacLennan, Professor & Head of Psychology, University of Regina
Raymond L. McFeetors, current president and CEO of Great West Life
Mike de Jong, BC politician
Rick Mercer, comedian
Jim Carrey, comedian
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I'm sure there are many more than that. Not to mention countless people who are just generally good people and productive members of society. I wish air cadets had been a more positive thing when I was a teen. It would have been nice to earn a flying scholarship.Moose47 wrote:I cherished my time in Air Cadets. You would be surprised how many famous Canadians were Air Cadets, Army Cdets or Sea Cadets.
{List of people}
That being said, I'm not debating the merits of the cadet program, just the extravagant spending in some corners of the organization.
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The cadets in question were out fund-raising if you had forgotten. They do that.
As far as return on investment, a buck spent on cadets, scouts or the like in 2011 is better than the 10 spent on police, court or rehab services for many of their peers a few years down the line.
Extravagant spending hasn't been much of a factor with the cadetsor reserves since
the 50's, if ever. Instructors in cadet services rarely recoup more in wages than a minimum wage earner at a fast food place, when you look at the hours they put in.
As far as return on investment, a buck spent on cadets, scouts or the like in 2011 is better than the 10 spent on police, court or rehab services for many of their peers a few years down the line.
Extravagant spending hasn't been much of a factor with the cadetsor reserves since
the 50's, if ever. Instructors in cadet services rarely recoup more in wages than a minimum wage earner at a fast food place, when you look at the hours they put in.
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That being said, I'm not debating the merits of the cadet program, just the extravagant spending in some corners of the organization.
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You are not reeding a lot of our commnents. Also, read the links I posted.
There is not "extravagant" spending.
That being said, I'm not debating the merits of the cadet program, just the extravagant spending in some corners of the organization.
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You are not reeding a lot of our commnents. Also, read the links I posted.
There is not "extravagant" spending.
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Haha yeah the cadets dealing drugs were fund raisingjust curious wrote:The cadets in question were out fund-raising if you had forgotten. They do that.
As far as return on investment, a buck spent on cadets, scouts or the like in 2011 is better than the 10 spent on police, court or rehab services for many of their peers a few years down the line.
Extravagant spending hasn't been much of a factor with the cadetsor reserves since
the 50's, if ever. Instructors in cadet services rarely recoup more in wages than a minimum wage earner at a fast food place, when you look at the hours they put in.

As for the wages, well I know how much money they spent on the person I know who helped instruct band. She made almost as much as a friend I have who is working as an engineer in Vancouver. She would have done it for free. That is what I see as extravagant spending. Obviously not everyone will agree, that's fine too.
beaverbob I did read your posts and I visited all your links but I'm not sure what you were showing me. One thing I did find on one of the links you said me was this:
http://www.aircadetleague.com/en/aboutt ... s.asp?ID=8For DND, this includes such major responsibilities as: provision of cadet uniforms, manuals and training aids; training and pay for Officers in the Cadet Instructors Cadre (CIC); and facilities and staff for Cadet Summer Training Camps (CSTC) and approved courses.
Now I realize you weren't arguing that tax dollars don't fund cadets but someone earlier was.
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Re: Air Cadet Program = Hitler Youth?
First off I was not a cadet but really wish I was. I really did not know about them, however I do owe my start in this business to them.
My first paid flying job was as a power instructor for two summers. During that time I met some very dedicated young men and woman who I can say will be making a positive difference to this country. There where some who without the direction, leadership and support of the Cadets may have gone down a path that was much more destructive and ended up in jail, dead or strung out on drugs. The Cadets gave them a way to focus there time and energy and develop as young adults. To this end I 100% support the Cadets in there goals and aims.
My first paid flying job was as a power instructor for two summers. During that time I met some very dedicated young men and woman who I can say will be making a positive difference to this country. There where some who without the direction, leadership and support of the Cadets may have gone down a path that was much more destructive and ended up in jail, dead or strung out on drugs. The Cadets gave them a way to focus there time and energy and develop as young adults. To this end I 100% support the Cadets in there goals and aims.
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Re: Air Cadet Program = Hitler Youth?
I know two guys who both won the power scholarship and earned their PPL's through Air Cadets. One is now at RMC studying engineering with a signed contract for a position as a pilot. I doubt very much if either of them would have ever earned their PPL's at that time without the help of the cadet program. A great example of why (which I said in my first post) I don't disagree with cadets.200hr Wonder wrote:First off I was not a cadet but really wish I was. I really did not know about them, however I do owe my start in this business to them.
My first paid flying job was as a power instructor for two summers. During that time I met some very dedicated young men and woman who I can say will be making a positive difference to this country. There where some who without the direction, leadership and support of the Cadets may have gone down a path that was much more destructive and ended up in jail, dead or strung out on drugs. The Cadets gave them a way to focus there time and energy and develop as young adults. To this end I 100% support the Cadets in there goals and aims.