Interesting 9/11 report

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I thought it brought up some interesting points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13XfwKsd ... ideo_title

[Changes in Latitudes]

I thought it brought up some interesting points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13XfwKsd ... ideo_title

It takes a while before you get the meds just perfect. Keep seeing your doctor and I think you'll start to see improvement soon.

[Dash-Ate]

muslims did this??? "We know he has WMD!!???"

Sept 11 was solved by sept 12th! Case closed now lets go and invade!!

[SuperchargedRS]

No doubt some weird stuff happened on 9/11.

However half the time this gov't doesn't even know where its ass it, so I am not sure they could pull off something like this. Heck didnt they give guns to the Mexican drug gangs to try to stop Mexican drug gangs from getting guns lol

Now the building 7, the little bits of thermite that were found, the fact that the loosers that crashed into the trade center couldn't even solo out, yet managed to fly that 767 rather well, that does not make sense and we will NEVER have any answers for this.


If it was a conspiracy it worked!!! Look at all the morons that a decade later, spend more time thinking about this 9/11 crap then all the current crap our elected officials are doing right now!!!!!


I think the people of Canada and the US should focus internally on minimizing govt', pulling our military back to our own shores and working on eliminating incompetence/corruption in the govt' instead of looking at what might have happened on 9/11

[AUGER9]

Don't forget about "plane" that hit the Pentagon. The one that "vaporized" from heat, yet left all the bodies identifiable.
And conveniently enough, every security video of this one was confiscated...

[kevind]

A plane did not WTC 7, but the other side from this pic was damaged by the falling towers, It burnt uncontrolled for the whole day fueled by diesel fuel for the generators and the paper and other stuff (paper, desks, carpets etc) until the structure was so comprimised it failed.

[Sheila]

Still is sad.

I was wondering if flights on Sept. 11th are different now. I have a feeling things are not the same at the airports or on the airplanes on Sept. 11th. I am flying tomorrow but only on a Pilatus and it's a private plane so I don't think I will notice anything unusual but maybe there will be less flights coming in at the airport.

[Geko]

muslims did this??? "We know he has WMD!!???"

Sept 11 was solved by sept 12th! Case closed now lets go and invade!!

No plane hit that building. I still don't understand your point.....

On second thought, don't bother... so funny that people (conspiracy idiots) are looking to theories about controlled demolition, etc for WTC7, and trying to apply them to SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNPRECEDENTED IN HISTORY - namely, 2 100 story buildings falling down in the middle of a dense metropolis.

Finally, let's say for the sake of argument, there WERE demo charges in all 3 buildings. What is the scenario? The nameless and evil forces running the conspiracy concoct an elaborate plan to run 2 airplanes into the towers, and then blame the collapse of those towers on the planes when in reality it was the demo. OK. Then they just have WTC7 come down for no apparent reason?

I guess in your reality the conversation went something like, "OK, we are all set, the 2 towers are coming down... we have the demo planted in the towers, cleverly disguised as coke machines - BTW, nice touch Mr X, did you get that idea from one of the Die-Hard movies? We have the drone planes all set. Everyone will think it was the planes that brought the towers down. We are now ready to implement Operation Godzilla.... wait, you know what would be cool? Let's get some demo planted in WTC7 as well! Yeah Mr Y, I know we don't have another drone plane that we can fly into WTC7, but damn that would just look bad-ass if WTC7 came down seemingly on its own a few hours later. No, I don't think anyone will ask any questions."

So the US government (or whoever) can concoct and set into motion an elaborate plot that would have to involve a LOT of people (hundreds if not thousands would have to be in on it), successfully keep it a secret for all these years, yet they are so incompetent that they @#$! it up by planting the demo in a way that it will LOOK controlled, thus potentially exposing their conspiracy.

Insert something about steel frame buildings never collapsing due to fires right about........... now. Oh, but wait maybe you should actually justify that statement which no truther ever does....

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Oh and by the way, the terrorists have actually won. The United States isn't knee deep in free oil from Iraq as you probably think was the whole reasoning behind the inside 9-11 attacks.

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Use your fricken brain dude. Wait, what brain?

[TG]

Don't forget about "plane" that hit the Pentagon. The one that "vaporized" from heat, yet left all the bodies identifiable.
And conveniently enough, every security video of this one was confiscated...

Here you go: What happen to an aircraft hitting a wall at a couple of hundreds knots



With a nice stable high speed camera looking directly at it.
Try to get the same resolution with a parking lot security cam for the fun of it. The thing might just hit between two frames.

Not sure of where you get the idea of "left all the bodies identifiable" though...
Maybe you are referring to DNA samples.

[iflyforpie]

I just got thinking about WTC 7 this morning:

If WTC 7 didn't collapse:

-Would the conspiracy theorists believe that it was a terrorist attack? Or would they 'dig deeper' to find more evidence of a conspiracy?

-Would the American reaction and the starting of the War of Terror be any different?

-Would the opinion of the American and World public be any different? (Oh, they destroyed the towers, but it is okay because WTC 7 survived )

Also:

-Can anybody off-the-top-of-their-heads name any of the other buildings that also collapsed with no aircraft hitting them?


If I was wanting to demolish some buildings to start some sort of conspiracy, I would have just blown up one or two of the WTC towers. Blowing up all of them (plus the Pentagon, the one that a C-130 and several eye witnesses saw a plane crash into) would be far too complicated, and involve too many people and too much time planning to do. What you conspiracy theorists are saying that thousands of people participated in the murder of thousands without any of them having a guilty conscience and being able to corroborate a convincing story of conspiracy. With Wikileaks, it would be even easier for somebody to leak something.

Then there are the passengers. These were real people, who boarded real aircraft, and somehow wound up at the impact sites... dead. Oh sure, some of the bodies were unidentifiable, but these people still went missing. Did they volunteer for this? Were they simply 'eliminated?' Are they living in a Witness Protection Program or in the Carribean under assumed names with a cushy government stipend? It just gets too complicated.

I am sure--as with anything--there are errors, omissions, and perhaps some outright lies regarding these events. But without a doubt ten years this morning thousands of people lost their lives as the result of buildings being damaged from hijacked airliners flying into them.

[straightpilot]

What helps validate the concerns in this thread, is that everyone with a strong opinion about the damage on 9/11 is a civil or mechanical engineer.

[Expat]

Flight 93 was supposed to come and hit WTC 7, but when it failed to show up, they decided to blow it up anyway, to destroy the evidence, ie the explosives inside it. For me, this is the best explanation, and no amount of news reel will tell me otherwise.

[iflyforpie]

Flight 93 was supposed to come and hit WTC 7, but when it failed to show up, they decided to blow it up anyway, to destroy the evidence, ie the explosives inside it. For me, this is the best explanation, and no amount of news reel will tell me otherwise.

How about a map?

Not to mention the total insignificance of the target. The Empire State Building, the Chrysler Building, or the Statue of Liberty would have had more deadly or psychological effect if it was heading to New York.

[Expat]

How about a map?

They were completely lost. What do you expect of pre-solo students???

Besides, what other plausible explanation of the WT7 that sh*ts in its pants, and falls down?

[Lurch]

I saw this on another site and thought it summed it up pretty well

Shadowy government agent #1: "We need more oil. Let's invade Iraq."

Shadowy government agent #2: "We need an excuse first."

Agent #1: "OK - let's rig the Twin Towers with explosives, making sure none of the thousands of people who work there sees us doing it. Then let's brainwash some Saudis to hijack two planes and fly them into the towers. Then we'll set off the charges and collapse the buildings."

Agent #2: "Why bot More..her with making sure the buildings collapse? Plenty of people will die when they fly planes into them. That should get the world on our side."

Agent #1 "Because there won't be enough people in on the conspiracy with just a simple kamikaze attack. We want to have hundreds of contractors, suppliers, demolition experts, security guards, fire department personnel, building supervisors, etc, etc to bribe to keep quiet for at least ten years."

Agent #2: "Um, OK. Shall we attack another building too?"

Agent #1: "Yes. Let's fire a cruise missile at the Pentagon during morning rush hour."

Agent #2: "Not in the middle of the night when no one would see it?"

Agent #1: "No."

Agent #2: "But there'll be lots of witnesses."

Agent #1: "Don't worry. We'll pay them all to say it was a Boeing 757. And we'll knock down some lampposts on the highway overpass too, because I've just realised a cruise missile doesn't have the same wingspan as a 757. Oh, and we'll confiscate some CCTV footage to make people think we're hiding something."

Agent #2: "But don't we always confiscate CCTV footage when we're investigating something?"

Agent #1: "Yes. But this time, for some reason, it'll be suspicious."

Agent #2: “But if we fire a cruise missile, that would leave a 757 unaccounted for.”

Agent #1: “No problem. We’ll just hijack one ourselves and fly it somewhere like Andrews Air Force Base or Area 51 or somewhere like that, dismantle it, kill all the passengers, burn the luggage and then transport all the wreckage to the Pentagon to scatter around as evidence.”

Agent #2: “I see.”

Agent #1: “Also, because the towers have a lightweight steel tube framework to allow them to sway in the wind, and the Pentagon is made of reinforced concrete, a lot of LiveLeak users will be confused by the different impact shapes. So they’ll be happy to believe in the cruise missile.”

Agent #2: “Um…….”

Agent #1: “What’s up?”

Agent #2: “Why don’t we just, er, actually fly another plane into the Pentagon? I mean, by that stage people will already have seen two jumbo jets fly into the Twin Towers, so I don’t see the problem with using a third.”

Agent #1: “For Christ’s sake, how many times do I have to tell you? We want things as complicated as possible so clever people on the internet can spot the holes in our plans.”

Agent #2: “Ah, right….. Sorry. OK, I’ll go get the brainwashing machine and kidnap some Saudis, then we’re good to go.”

[mdscientist61]

Shadowy agent no. 3:

Don't forget that it is also necessary to pay Osama bin Laden enough money so that he agrees to take full credit for the results. Plus OBL has to agree to become the object of a search by the full US armed forces and US intelligence. Furthermore, it is also necessary to pay all his followers and admirers enough to keep quiet about it, and never contradict the "official US government story" on the matter. Not only that but we have to pay them enough to agree be hunted down by US forces and their allies. Remember, all those guys have to on-side with this and none of them can change their minds about over the next ten years, and not one of them can spill the beans about it no matter how bad things get for them. Understand?

Agent no. 1
Oh why yes, of course, I was just going to bring that up. I'll be talking to OBL this afternoon to finalize the agreement.

Agent no. 2
Yes, yes absolutely, I'm just putting the finishing touches on the budget to cover him and all his followers.

[mdscientist61]

Shadowy agent no. 4

Gentlemen, I have good news!

Agent no. 3
Good news? We've already got both Osama and Saddam fully on-side with our plan. They've both committed their own bacon to it, and they've promised that none of their lieutenants and their extended families would ever contradict the official story we are scripting up here. We've even got all the serious newpapers and editors in the western world on-side never to break the real story except for some plants by acknowledged crackpot writers in silly second-rate publications. What could be better than that?

Agent number 4.
The good news is that I've been able to get full buy-in from all the serious newspapers, editors and reputable journalists in the arab-speaking world. They' agreed only to let the real story leak out through known crackpots in silly second-rate publications, as well as a few space-cadet websites. Not only that, but I've also got full buy-in from wiki-leaks to never let any serious information get out, no matter how badly things end up for them.

agent number 2.
That's amazing! I thought that Al Jazera prided itself in high integrity and all of that.

agent number 1.
Yes, I'll be really impressed if wiki-leaks can keep a lid on their staff. Apparently, the staff is quite a handfull to keep in line.

Agent number 3.
I'm pleased that the Saudi government has agreed to cooperate on this.

agent no. 4
Fortunately, all the key players in the Arab world, and throughout Asia and the middle-east, fully agreed with our objectives, and they have agreed to behave as if our scripted story is the real thing.

Agent no 3
That's excellent!

[mdscientist61]

Agent no. 4
OK, anything else? What about our friends in the former east bloc?

Agent no. 1
I met with our Russian friends yesterday, and we agreed to put aside all our past differences. Putin and all his staff will fully support our scripted story.

Agent no. 4.
Very good. How about latin america?

Agent no. 2
I have spoken with Fidel, and he has agreed to forgive us for the bay of pigs and the things the followed. Say what you will about Fidel, he was very cooperative on this issue and he is fully on side with our script. I have also been successful in my negotiations with Chavez and his staff.

Agent no. 4.
That's good, it would have been annoying to deal with any noise from Fidel. As for Chavez, it is good that he is cooperating on this instead of making his usual trouble. I am relieved that he would agreed to help keep the price of oil down. How about the left coast? any updates?

Agent no. 3.
I spoke with all the hollywood execs, and they agreed only to make movies that follow our script.

Agent no. 4
That's good. We don't want another movie like the one about JFK. What an embarassment. Next?

Agent no. 1.
I have spoke with the Dems and the Reps, and they have all agreed to be on-side with our script.

Agent no. 4.
Good. Those guys hate each other so much, that they cannot even agree on a budget for this country. I'm glad they agree to work together on our script and not try to embarass each other. Anything else?

Agent no. 3
Well, to keep things from looking too perfect, I've arranged to leak things out through a particular channel in the in the Canadian government.

Agent no. 4
Do you mean those loose cannons in the NDP?

Agent no. 3
Exactly.