Forest Fires in MB and NWONT

['CauseTheCaravanCan]

I'm hearing a lot of people missing and or turning back due to the smoke in the milk run area north of Red. And the outcamps too.
Our guys included.
Is there some teamwork type thingy us AvCanadians can put together to give a trustworthy heads up on what you're seeing
and hearing out there?
I came home the other day from North Spirit through a couple of 40 mile bands of smoke topping above 10,000, and my
wings were just WHITE with ash.
Can't be good for the airplane static system, or me, or the passengers.

What's typical at times like these, fly for 40 mins. in smoke, shoot the approach and just see what you see?

Sorry I'm all over the place with this post.
Pregnancy brain....just kidding! But Seriously.

'Van

[cdnpilot77]

Lots of small fires just south of Round Lake with a lot of smoke to the east

[FlyGy]

Isn't that what PIREPs are for?

[fish4life]

I'd imagine ash from forest fires doesn't help the engines longevity at all, perhaps some 415 guys could comment about how the pw100's handle the smoke all the time? more frequent compressor washes?

[kevinsky18]

Ash from the volcanoes in Iceland (I think) a year or two ago shut down most of European airtravel for weeks. I imagine the composition of the ash is different but still it can't be good for the engines.

[toelessjoe]

SHADUPP YA BUNCH OF INGRATES! WE'RE ON IT, OK!! Jebus.

- Toeless

[BD8]

"I'm hearing a lot of people missing ......"


Ehh ???

[Krimson]

Ash from the volcanoes in Iceland (I think) a year or two ago shut down most of European airtravel for weeks. I imagine the composition of the ash is different but still it can't be good for the engines.

I heard they re-opened the airspace after testing that the ash was harmless to the engines.

[kevinsky18]

I think you heard wrong. If you want to know the effects of Volcanic Ash on jet and turbine engines refer to: "British Airways Flight 9 from Kuala Lumpur to Perth, 24 June 1982.

As a bit of a refresher they passed through volcanic ash and within minutes all 4 engines on the 747-200 flamed out. They managed to get a restart but upon inspection on the ground sever damage was found in the engines.

[CLguy]

Kev the volcanic ash that British Airways was in was an extreme case. I think China Airlines also had a similar incident. Volcanic Ash is alot more coarse than smoke or salt particles. Ash is derived from rock while smoke is derived from soft wood. The PW123's have never had or shown any issues anywhere in the world due do to smoke ingestion. Compressor washes are only done once or twice a season.

You can do way more damage from compressor stalls while working in the head of a fire if you are not on the ball.

['CauseTheCaravanCan]

Isn't that what PIREPs are for?

Yah....it is.


The local spot fires around Deer Lake don't seem severe enough to have been why
people went missed there on Friday. Anyone know what the winds were doing there that day?
Maybe it was a west wind bringing in the smoke from Charron Lake area. THOSE fires ARE severe
enough.
Anyway, light north wind yesterday, no smoke in Deer, Poplar Hill, Keewaywin or North Spirit.
Winds calm today, no smoke in Deer or Keewaywin.
I'll figure this poop out yet.

About the ash, I'm not saying it's any volcanic ash comparison. Just that there are definitely ashes in the 2500 to 4500 alts, on the
windy days anyway. And that it's leaving residue on the boots, therefore is probably getting ingested by either man or machine.

[FlyGy]

Isn't that what PIREPs are for?

Yah....it is.

Thanks. I'm still getting my head wrapped around the "conflicting traffic please advise" phrase and that I shouldn't use it. Communications are a weakness I have, so it helps to get confirmation.

[Caracrane]

You can do way more damage from compressor stalls while working in the head of a fire if you are not on the ball

Your comment is on the ball, fly safe we need guys like you.

............few times help from HBV today. Eric