have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.r.
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have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.r.
IN THE INTEREST of promoting better hr practices among aviation professionals . here is the ?
have you as a candidate after interview ever been promised notification by hr after an interview ie will notify you within 2 weeks etc only to by dangling in the wind and your life on hold?
when they fail to do as promised.
was it a 703 ops 704 or 705
gm aviation mgrs /ops mgrs /cps need to get on top of this issue WHY because it affects your bottom line.
Of course if not interviewing the candidate, no reply required. When a candidate flys 2000 miles on their own coin hotels car rental etc so you can do a proper full meal deal interview ,Then hr fails to do their job and notify. It will leave a bad taste in the mouth and GUESS WHAT they will tel 2 friend and etc . how many cp and ops mgr due reviews or audits of their hr depts? stats? candidates interviewed/ candidates hired / follow up.
THEE biggest problem in all industry right now >is hr fiefdoms and software tracking NOT getting the best candidates . the firewalls within applicate software and HUGE lack of regular data perging by hr often screens out quality people that may have not been successful on inital application but have done great things since
transport canada requires training records for only 24 months after a candidate leaves their employee . (703ops) do you still have records for joe pilot from 2002 DO YOU KNOW THAT IF THAT INFO IS LOST OR STOLEN / YOU COULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR A 1 MILLION$ + LIABILITY = PURGE IT. At the very least the cost to settle will be over 100k, I would encourage all cp's ops mgrs to audit their hr depts within the next 12 months and purge all former non relevent data .
have you as a candidate after interview ever been promised notification by hr after an interview ie will notify you within 2 weeks etc only to by dangling in the wind and your life on hold?
when they fail to do as promised.
was it a 703 ops 704 or 705
gm aviation mgrs /ops mgrs /cps need to get on top of this issue WHY because it affects your bottom line.
Of course if not interviewing the candidate, no reply required. When a candidate flys 2000 miles on their own coin hotels car rental etc so you can do a proper full meal deal interview ,Then hr fails to do their job and notify. It will leave a bad taste in the mouth and GUESS WHAT they will tel 2 friend and etc . how many cp and ops mgr due reviews or audits of their hr depts? stats? candidates interviewed/ candidates hired / follow up.
THEE biggest problem in all industry right now >is hr fiefdoms and software tracking NOT getting the best candidates . the firewalls within applicate software and HUGE lack of regular data perging by hr often screens out quality people that may have not been successful on inital application but have done great things since
transport canada requires training records for only 24 months after a candidate leaves their employee . (703ops) do you still have records for joe pilot from 2002 DO YOU KNOW THAT IF THAT INFO IS LOST OR STOLEN / YOU COULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR A 1 MILLION$ + LIABILITY = PURGE IT. At the very least the cost to settle will be over 100k, I would encourage all cp's ops mgrs to audit their hr depts within the next 12 months and purge all former non relevent data .
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
If I was to take a wild guess. You applied on a job, didn't get it and later found out or came to the conclusion it was due to some nasty info from a previous employer that you worked for more than 2 years ago? Now you’re mad at both the company you applied to for not giving you a kiss on the cheek and a wave good bye and the former employer for not using Vaseline.
Now before you go pointing the finger at your former employer keep in mind that 705 can and I believe are supposed to contact TC for your records. So if this is due to poor performance on a PPC or an accident etc the new employer might have access to that info. How long TC keeps those records I'm not sure but I'm guessing forever.
Also HR departments are often very reluctant to say anything bad about any former employee even if they were a complete screw up as being sued for slander etc is a very common these days and the risk financially is just not worth it. So I’d be surprised if an HR department took that risk years after your employment. If they did wow you really must have made an impression and they must have a stack of paperwork to back up whatever they are saying. Otherwise you may be set up for a good lawsuit.
Also it's a small industry you might think it's a former employer bad mouthing you when it could be a former pilot who flew with you a while ago and is now already employed with the company you're trying to get hired onto or the CP or someone in HR knows a pilot who might have worked with you in the past and just called them up to ask about you. I find this is more often to source of "background checks," than any other means. I've never hired a guy without asking my current crew and others in my circle if they know or have heard about a fellow.
Everyone makes mistakes and even the easiest person to get along with will have the occasional personality conflict with an employee or employer. I try to keep that in mind when someone calls and asks about a former employee that I didn't get along with. God knows many would have a few choice words to describe me.
As to HR departments I have no use for them myself. I agree they often toss out good candidates for various reasons that make most scratch their heads. I’ve seen HR departments throw out a resume for a DHC-3 float captain who had 10,000 hours on floats because he didn’t have an IFR rating and it was company policy to only hire IFR rated pilots. So the guy with 500 hours on floats and an IFR rating ended up in the stack to review and the 10,000 hour pilot ended up in the trash bin. This was for a temp DHC-3 float gig, summer months only. Baffling. And yes computer “assisted” resume sorting etc is useless as well.
To the kiddies out there: it's small an unforgiving industry with big egos and long memories, so be careful of the toes you step on.
Now before you go pointing the finger at your former employer keep in mind that 705 can and I believe are supposed to contact TC for your records. So if this is due to poor performance on a PPC or an accident etc the new employer might have access to that info. How long TC keeps those records I'm not sure but I'm guessing forever.
Also HR departments are often very reluctant to say anything bad about any former employee even if they were a complete screw up as being sued for slander etc is a very common these days and the risk financially is just not worth it. So I’d be surprised if an HR department took that risk years after your employment. If they did wow you really must have made an impression and they must have a stack of paperwork to back up whatever they are saying. Otherwise you may be set up for a good lawsuit.
Also it's a small industry you might think it's a former employer bad mouthing you when it could be a former pilot who flew with you a while ago and is now already employed with the company you're trying to get hired onto or the CP or someone in HR knows a pilot who might have worked with you in the past and just called them up to ask about you. I find this is more often to source of "background checks," than any other means. I've never hired a guy without asking my current crew and others in my circle if they know or have heard about a fellow.
Everyone makes mistakes and even the easiest person to get along with will have the occasional personality conflict with an employee or employer. I try to keep that in mind when someone calls and asks about a former employee that I didn't get along with. God knows many would have a few choice words to describe me.
As to HR departments I have no use for them myself. I agree they often toss out good candidates for various reasons that make most scratch their heads. I’ve seen HR departments throw out a resume for a DHC-3 float captain who had 10,000 hours on floats because he didn’t have an IFR rating and it was company policy to only hire IFR rated pilots. So the guy with 500 hours on floats and an IFR rating ended up in the stack to review and the 10,000 hour pilot ended up in the trash bin. This was for a temp DHC-3 float gig, summer months only. Baffling. And yes computer “assisted” resume sorting etc is useless as well.
To the kiddies out there: it's small an unforgiving industry with big egos and long memories, so be careful of the toes you step on.
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
lack of professionalism from the hr side about notification. If [b]you Interview[/b] Notify either way//
As you said the industry is small relativitely. Many times the best candidates are the ones who are not the ones who fit all the boxes right out of the gait on the points scoring ,but the ones who really want to work for you and apply time and again . my point stands cp/s gm/ and ops mgr need to audit their hr depts. to ensure they are meeting the same demanding standards. many times i veheard from mgrs we dont seem to be getting the best fit we seem to get people who pass the tests but operationally are as flexible as concrete in the real world once the ppc is in the pocket. audit the hr
As you said the industry is small relativitely. Many times the best candidates are the ones who are not the ones who fit all the boxes right out of the gait on the points scoring ,but the ones who really want to work for you and apply time and again . my point stands cp/s gm/ and ops mgr need to audit their hr depts. to ensure they are meeting the same demanding standards. many times i veheard from mgrs we dont seem to be getting the best fit we seem to get people who pass the tests but operationally are as flexible as concrete in the real world once the ppc is in the pocket. audit the hr
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
sum up IF YOU INTERVIEW AND PROMISE A REPONSE DO SO / no knock against cp's noboby likes dangling in the wind not knowing
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
If you didn't get a response...
...id assme it was bc u write urcvr lttr like this ?? yes very //
...id assme it was bc u write urcvr lttr like this ?? yes very //
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
When a candidtate flys 2000 miles on their own coin, pays for their own hotels and rental cars, they dont deserve respect from anyone in the industry. Makes it just that much harder on the rest of us, and any company that bases its hiring criteria on the candidates ability to pay all their own expenses does not deserve our respect either.When a candidate flys 2000 miles on their own coin hotels car rental etc so you can do a proper full meal deal interview
I had trouble understanding it, but it seems from what other posters got from it was you have a bit of past history you thought would have disappeared, and somehow they found out about it..You did not get the job , and probably they are a bit pissed at even having wasted the time interviewing you.
Am I close to what has happened here?
If an HR department is doing their job, they will ferret out little things like a bit of hidden history. Looks like maybe they did their job well, and if that is the case, no reply is deserved. Past misdeeds can be overlooked if people own up to them..Not so if they try to explain them away, or worse, simply try to hide them or lie about them.
But I may have totally misunderstood the whole thing and you have been totatlly disrespected.Many companies keep records for many years..
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
+1trey kule wrote:When a candidtate flys 2000 miles on their own coin, pays for their own hotels and rental cars, they dont deserve respect from anyone in the industry. Makes it just that much harder on the rest of us, and any company that bases its hiring criteria on the candidates ability to pay all their own expenses does not deserve our respect either.
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
+2trey kule wrote:When a candidtate flys 2000 miles on their own coin, pays for their own hotels and rental cars, they dont deserve respect from anyone in the industry. Makes it just that much harder on the rest of us, and any company that bases its hiring criteria on the candidates ability to pay all their own expenses does not deserve our respect either.
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
Trey- why does that make it harder for you?trey kule wrote:When a candidtate flys 2000 miles on their own coin, pays for their own hotels and rental cars, they dont deserve respect from anyone in the industry. Makes it just that much harder on the rest of us, and any company that bases its hiring criteria on the candidates ability to pay all their own expenses does not deserve our respect either..When a candidate flys 2000 miles on their own coin hotels car rental etc so you can do a proper full meal deal interview
Why does it matter how far the candidate travelled on their own dime? It could be "THE DREAM" job in their home town, the HR dept should realize the commitment it took to get to interview. Should it be hiring criteria of course not.
It would be great if every company flew everyone in for an interview, but that simply isnt going to happen.
The main point raised by the OP was lack of follow up by HR to the unsuccessful candidates. Its shocking when HR cannot be bothered to let someone who had sat an interview that they were unsuccessful. Especially at the 705 level Does it it give you a glimpse in the company that your are viewed more as a resource than as a human. - I think it does.
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
Yes, hostile interview and no return call. Was VERY pissed off after the experience. The interviewer spent the whole time telling me I wasn't right for the job because I was too young and would probably leave him for an airline. I called back several times only to leave voicemails and than not get my call returned. It was a very unprofessional interview even though I thought I conducted myself well. Seemed like the guy was doing his best to get a rise out of me and lose it. I didn't but felt like it. Either way they I found out through my internal reference that they hired someone twice my age with more total time but less varied experience. I'm better off now but a little professional courtesy would have been nice.
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
First of all Teacher, are you Old and Cold, or did I miss something here? I am having a bit of trouble relating your post to anything else in the thread.
Now as to making it harder on me..I was using the royal we..as I am not looking for work and will not be again I dont think in this lifetime.
The reason is this..If an employer is doing their job, the interview is somewhat of fomality, not an inquistion, and should only amount to one or two perspective candidates for a position, The cost of bringing those people in for an interview is a cost of doing business.
But, as long as we have the whole 'whats wrong with that' attitude, it is easy for an employer to say..sure...come on in...love to chat...costs them nothing but time and the committment is all on the pilots side of the equation.. A very nice negotiating tool from the employers perspective ..You have committed.. They have not. Now lets talk salary..lowball that to...this guy is stupid and desparate.
And, in my years in the business I have met some very very good young pilots who did not have a pot to piss in starting out..They could not afford the gas to drive 100 miles even if their car could make it that far. So the employer eliminates those good young pilots as perspective employees and hires the one who has the money to make the trip and is willing to gamble...Not the way I like to determine who is the best pilot for the job. But then some employers base their hiring criteria on the fact someone already has a PPC., and there are more than one or two pilots out there who get PPCs from one company and are sending out resumes while in training. I have always thought that a PPC should not be transferrable for 9 months after it is issued.. It would do away with a lot of this nonsense. Anyway, I am digressing.
To make it short and sweet.. Companies need pilots..Never forget that...to many think that pilots need companies and so they need to spend all sorts of money marketing themselves so to speak..
And ask yourself which kind of company you want to work for. The one who insists on a personal interview where you pick up the tab or one that picks up the tab, or can get the job done by a Skype video call?
Now as to making it harder on me..I was using the royal we..as I am not looking for work and will not be again I dont think in this lifetime.
The reason is this..If an employer is doing their job, the interview is somewhat of fomality, not an inquistion, and should only amount to one or two perspective candidates for a position, The cost of bringing those people in for an interview is a cost of doing business.
But, as long as we have the whole 'whats wrong with that' attitude, it is easy for an employer to say..sure...come on in...love to chat...costs them nothing but time and the committment is all on the pilots side of the equation.. A very nice negotiating tool from the employers perspective ..You have committed.. They have not. Now lets talk salary..lowball that to...this guy is stupid and desparate.
And, in my years in the business I have met some very very good young pilots who did not have a pot to piss in starting out..They could not afford the gas to drive 100 miles even if their car could make it that far. So the employer eliminates those good young pilots as perspective employees and hires the one who has the money to make the trip and is willing to gamble...Not the way I like to determine who is the best pilot for the job. But then some employers base their hiring criteria on the fact someone already has a PPC., and there are more than one or two pilots out there who get PPCs from one company and are sending out resumes while in training. I have always thought that a PPC should not be transferrable for 9 months after it is issued.. It would do away with a lot of this nonsense. Anyway, I am digressing.
To make it short and sweet.. Companies need pilots..Never forget that...to many think that pilots need companies and so they need to spend all sorts of money marketing themselves so to speak..
And ask yourself which kind of company you want to work for. The one who insists on a personal interview where you pick up the tab or one that picks up the tab, or can get the job done by a Skype video call?
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
I have never had any luck in dealing with any HR department ...... I have either had no response or a very unprofessional response. I found most of the HR people very aloof and almost rude. I had begun to believe that I was doing something wrong. I sought professional help with my resume, kept my cover letter short and to the point, displayed as much professional integrity as possible, used proper English with exceptional spelling, supplied solid references and had my certified log books available for inspection. None of this helped me. Any job that I got, was through direct contact with the Chief Pilot or the Ops Manager.
My experience may be jaded, but I don't think any of these HR people know their ass from a hole in the ground. The company would be far ahead to hire an assistant CP to deal with all of the applications and get rid of the whole HR department.
I also believe that in the not too distant future, it won't make any difference ...... the younger generation of prospective new pilots are already beginning to figure out that there is no money or future in the aviation industry. Look what AC Rouge and Westjet Encore are paying for -8-400 Captains. If you won the Lotto or have a serious tax problem, that may be OK ...... but if you are trying to pay off a $100K education debt and raise a family, this just doesn't compute! When the pilot shortage becomes acute, most companies will realize that they can no longer afford an HR department. Head hunters are the same ..... mostly former HR people.
The very least these HR people can do is to display some of the common courtesy and intelligence that they demand from the pilots who are trying desperately to get hired by their firms.
Just my thoughts ......
My experience may be jaded, but I don't think any of these HR people know their ass from a hole in the ground. The company would be far ahead to hire an assistant CP to deal with all of the applications and get rid of the whole HR department.
I also believe that in the not too distant future, it won't make any difference ...... the younger generation of prospective new pilots are already beginning to figure out that there is no money or future in the aviation industry. Look what AC Rouge and Westjet Encore are paying for -8-400 Captains. If you won the Lotto or have a serious tax problem, that may be OK ...... but if you are trying to pay off a $100K education debt and raise a family, this just doesn't compute! When the pilot shortage becomes acute, most companies will realize that they can no longer afford an HR department. Head hunters are the same ..... mostly former HR people.
The very least these HR people can do is to display some of the common courtesy and intelligence that they demand from the pilots who are trying desperately to get hired by their firms.
Just my thoughts ......
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
Um, OK, no. Actually the interview is where I used to make up for my lack of flight experience years ago and has always been my strong point. I thought we were just bitching about crappy interviews and no call backs. At the time I was actually young and personableFirst of all Teacher, are you Old and Cold, or did I miss something here? I am having a bit of trouble relating your post to anything else in the thread.



Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
Not too long ago I put in an application with AC for Station Attendant YVR. Got an email to come in for a written exam. It was simple 50 questions which I completed with probably %100. The others writing that day were mostly new Canadians, and many never finished the questions. No call for an interview. Probably age discrimination, being I am 63yrs old, and the arrogant German girl in HR who administered the exam seemed set on climbing the corporate ladder. I expected more from AC - since they exist on government funding - and think they should at least obey the law. ( The job sucked, $10.80hr, for 20hrs per week, which means take home of about $600 per month. I could drink more than that on a good month. ) IF they call you in for an exam, and you pass the exam, the weeding out point should then become post interview - no ?
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
I dated a woman last year (for a minute) that was the national HR person for a non aviation company. Her salary was 120k per year.
I was shocked to hear her go on about the 'power' she yielded to hire and fire individuals. INCLUDING a back office exec because they didn't see eye to eye on certain matters and she was 'maneuvering' her tactics to make his life difficult.
"why?" I asked.
".......because I can"
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However I still do feel that HR is a necessary department....as long as their leash is on good and snug.
BTW.....after a weekend long of gorilla fncking her, Sunday night I went Donald Trump on her and said:
"you're fired"
TAKE THAT HR
I was shocked to hear her go on about the 'power' she yielded to hire and fire individuals. INCLUDING a back office exec because they didn't see eye to eye on certain matters and she was 'maneuvering' her tactics to make his life difficult.
"why?" I asked.
".......because I can"
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However I still do feel that HR is a necessary department....as long as their leash is on good and snug.
BTW.....after a weekend long of gorilla fncking her, Sunday night I went Donald Trump on her and said:
"you're fired"

TAKE THAT HR
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
Did an interview a couple of years back with a Human Remains chick and a rather racoon looking CP and Ops Mgr out on some Island near the Centre of the Universe.
Was suppose to hear a yea/nay within 2 weeks.
2 weeks passed and nothing. no email, no call, no snail mail. Nothing. (still nothing some 2-3 years later)
and no, I did not bother contacting them, I moved into something else that I wanted to do (what I'm doing now) and forgot all about that interview. I'm also kinda passive-aggressive that way. If they want me, they know where to find me (or at least where I used to be...)
Probably not gonna apply there again, despite the fact I have more friends than fingers (and hence can't tell you exactly how many) working for this operator.
Meh.
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Was suppose to hear a yea/nay within 2 weeks.
2 weeks passed and nothing. no email, no call, no snail mail. Nothing. (still nothing some 2-3 years later)
and no, I did not bother contacting them, I moved into something else that I wanted to do (what I'm doing now) and forgot all about that interview. I'm also kinda passive-aggressive that way. If they want me, they know where to find me (or at least where I used to be...)
Probably not gonna apply there again, despite the fact I have more friends than fingers (and hence can't tell you exactly how many) working for this operator.
Meh.
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Yikes Trey. You should switch to decaff, maybe grab a massage or something. I read that one as a response to the origional post.First of all Teacher, are you Old and Cold, or did I miss something here? I am having a bit of trouble relating your post to anything else in the thread.
(probably should have went with OP but I know you don't love the intermanet acronyms. LOL BRB roflmao)
Maybe you need to see if you can find a nice Robbie Burns tribute like the one I'm going to on Saturday. [/brag]
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
I have been looked in the eyes twice by a chief pilot and told in no uncertain terms "I will get back to you either way by xx date". In both cases no call, though one did have their secretary call me a couple weeks late, after I already knew they had hired someone else, which I thought was cute but appreciated anyway. As BBB said, don't bother calling them back. I figure it's a pretty easy way to sort out the organized and competent chief pilots from the wannabes that talk pretty.
My current employer did call me back when they said they would in order to PFO me so it's not like it's impossible.
As for oldncold well, if he presents himself in an interview the way he does here I'm surprised they said they'd call.
My current employer did call me back when they said they would in order to PFO me so it's not like it's impossible.
As for oldncold well, if he presents himself in an interview the way he does here I'm surprised they said they'd call.
Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
ahhhh....I guess not....I will have to get back to you on that by next Monday.......OK?But than again crazy people don't actually know they're crazy right
OK now,Trey....Back slowly away from the keyboard..Do not make eye contact with the screen...chances are he does not know where you live......
sorry teacher, missed the connection on your post to the OP.
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
I'm fine with it as long as they don't have a bond and they don't bitch about pilots leaving sooner than the pilot had promised.
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
I spend a lot of time here interviewing candidates. The rule is that we make a long list of qualified candidates, then technically clear them to a short list. Then, a written test is given to them, and the best 4 or 5 get invited for an interview. Actually, anyone of these is a potential winner.
The interview takes place, so that we see face to face the candidates, and assess their potential, and decide which one you like, and want to work with. Then, all interviewees are told that they will be contacted in a few weeks' time. The reason is that the HR department then works to get references, check education credentials, etc...
My take on all this is that the impression someone makes at the interview is determinant. It is even more than credentials and recommendations.
Actually, recommendations mean nothing to a lot of recruiters. And to me also.
The interview takes place, so that we see face to face the candidates, and assess their potential, and decide which one you like, and want to work with. Then, all interviewees are told that they will be contacted in a few weeks' time. The reason is that the HR department then works to get references, check education credentials, etc...
My take on all this is that the impression someone makes at the interview is determinant. It is even more than credentials and recommendations.
Actually, recommendations mean nothing to a lot of recruiters. And to me also.

Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
While I can't speak for the aviation industry, the phrase "we're conducting a number of interviews at the moment. You'll hear from us either way in 2 weeks" is a pretty universal way of handling what's often a stressful and tense moment with grace. If they thought you are a good fit, they meant what they had said. If they had written you off already, they are just trying to let you down gently.
I'm in tech management, and I have hired a lot of people. I'm a straight-shooter by nature and would prefer to tell it like it is (and be treated the same). Problem is not everyone is like that. There are lots of people who are fragile on the outside. So in my early days, I would tell it like it was and tell the candidates halfway through the interview we're going to pass and here's why (not a personal attack, just "we are looking for skill ABC and you don't have enough of it". You wouldn't believe the bad reaction I got - some would start trying to convince me why they really have it when I had already made up my mind. Some were worse - it's not pretty when someone is already stressed out and now they know they don't have to be on their best behaviour anymore. I've even had people (guys) who cried - what do you do with that?
After a few of those, I thought I really didn't need this drama. So out comes the standard line. That seems to be the softest landing.
As far as following up, if they really wanted you, they would have made sure to get in touch. If you didn't hear back, they could be busy and so you get in touch. If there's still no news, well, you have your answer already. HR people are still people, and my guess is they probably also have had their share of people losing it at them when the candidates get rejected. So I'm not surprised they don't return certain calls.
I'm in tech management, and I have hired a lot of people. I'm a straight-shooter by nature and would prefer to tell it like it is (and be treated the same). Problem is not everyone is like that. There are lots of people who are fragile on the outside. So in my early days, I would tell it like it was and tell the candidates halfway through the interview we're going to pass and here's why (not a personal attack, just "we are looking for skill ABC and you don't have enough of it". You wouldn't believe the bad reaction I got - some would start trying to convince me why they really have it when I had already made up my mind. Some were worse - it's not pretty when someone is already stressed out and now they know they don't have to be on their best behaviour anymore. I've even had people (guys) who cried - what do you do with that?
After a few of those, I thought I really didn't need this drama. So out comes the standard line. That seems to be the softest landing.
As far as following up, if they really wanted you, they would have made sure to get in touch. If you didn't hear back, they could be busy and so you get in touch. If there's still no news, well, you have your answer already. HR people are still people, and my guess is they probably also have had their share of people losing it at them when the candidates get rejected. So I'm not surprised they don't return certain calls.
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
Such a very AvCanadian sentiment: "My employment difficulties are all someone else's fault!"trey kule wrote:When a candidtate flys 2000 miles on their own coin, pays for their own hotels and rental cars, they dont deserve respect from anyone in the industry. Makes it just that much harder on the rest of us
Now we can add "going for an interview" to the list of things supposedly degrading the industry along with: working the ramp, working the dock, working in dispatch, signing a bond and working for pay that some anonymous dork on AvCanada thinks is too low.
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Re: have you ever had lack of profess.. aftr interview?by h.
Could not agree more with the above! What next? I better not buy new underwear within a month of my next interview lest I be chastised and convicted of "selling out" my coworkers by some anonymous shut in? You guys are off your rockers.
On the actual theme of this thread. My last "airline", and I use that term in its most generic sense, interview was nothing short of chaos. Last minute call to come in, 45 minute of waiting for them and then 20 minutes of them telling me how unqualified I was for the job. Instead of the "go F#$k yourself !" the me of 20 years ago would have said I politely advised my withdrawal from consideration. The CP said thanks for your time and apologized for the wait. The OPS manager scowled and asked why. Bloody clueless. Needless to say there was no need for a follow up from them but in my experience less than half that say "we will get back to you" actually do. To busy? maybe. But at least say if you haven't heard from us by such a date then consider this adios muchacho.
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On the actual theme of this thread. My last "airline", and I use that term in its most generic sense, interview was nothing short of chaos. Last minute call to come in, 45 minute of waiting for them and then 20 minutes of them telling me how unqualified I was for the job. Instead of the "go F#$k yourself !" the me of 20 years ago would have said I politely advised my withdrawal from consideration. The CP said thanks for your time and apologized for the wait. The OPS manager scowled and asked why. Bloody clueless. Needless to say there was no need for a follow up from them but in my experience less than half that say "we will get back to you" actually do. To busy? maybe. But at least say if you haven't heard from us by such a date then consider this adios muchacho.
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