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Not sure why they have the tail number wrong!!, should be 15001.
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Ah, the Tongue Police are going to be on them coz the French isn't larger than the English. Pasta!
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I understand that if it ever lands in - or even
flies through - Quebec, the language police will
demand that the English be removed from the
side of it.
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bizjets101 wrote: Not sure why they have the tail number wrong!!, should be 15001.
Actually it's correct. Airforce tail numbers are a six digit number ie 188701 was an F-18, now scrap; and 130333, affectionately?? known as "triple pig" was a Herc.
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Colonel Sanders wrote:I understand that if it ever lands in - or even
flies through - Quebec, the language police will
demand that the English be removed from the
side of it.

No it can stay as long as the french letters are twice as big. Theyre not COMPLETELY unreasonable, sheesh
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azimuthaviation wrote:
Colonel Sanders wrote:I understand that if it ever lands in - or even
flies through - Quebec, the language police will
demand that the English be removed from the
side of it.

No it can stay as long as the french letters are twice as big. Theyre not COMPLETELY unreasonable, sheesh
The French have their own alphabet now? Mon dieu!
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G'day

"RCAF logo"

It is not a logo it is a roundel. Not surprised though coming from a rabid left-wing bird cage liner!

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Moose47 wrote:G'day

"RCAF logo"

It is not a logo it is a roundel. Not surprised though coming from a rabid left-wing bird cage liner!

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Ok, spill! What have you got against birds anyway?
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Terrible. Painted to resemble the conservative brand.
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When did blue become part of our national colour scheme?
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When did blue become part of our national colour scheme?
Like having the french words first, it looks like
they did that to make it look like the French flag,
to keep Quebec happy:

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A lot of blue in the Quebec flag:

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Anyone here old enough to remember the Ensign?

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This used to be Canada's flag until Mike Pearson replaced
it with the Liberal Party Flag.

Pop Quiz (and highly aviation-related): How did Lester Pearson
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In 1917, Pearson transferred to the Royal Flying Corps (as the Royal Canadian Air Force did not exist at that time), where he served as a Flying Officer until being sent home with injuries from two accidents; while training as a pilot at an air training school in Hendon, England, Pearson survived an airplane crash during his first flight.

In 1918, he was hit by a London bus during a citywide blackout and was sent home as an invalid to recuperate, and was then discharged from the service. It was as a pilot that he received the nickname of "Mike", given to him by a flight instructor who felt that "Lester" was too mild a name for an airman. Thereafter, Pearson would use the name "Lester" on official documents and in public life, but was always addressed as "Mike" by friends and family.[4]
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Mike - no fair I googled it. There is a plaque on the office tower sw corner of Bishop and Yonge (1st light n of Yonge and Finch) states birth place and home of Lester B. Pearson. (ex Newtonbrook, ON)
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shitdisturber wrote:
bizjets101 wrote: Not sure why they have the tail number wrong!!, should be 15001.
Actually it's correct. Airforce tail numbers are a six digit number ie 188701 was an F-18, now scrap; and 130333, affectionately?? known as "triple pig" was a Herc.

Actually you're wrong. The tail numbers on the CC-150s are only 5 digits.
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Calm down people, it's not the end of the world. The next PM can change it back if he wants.

What are the official colours of the RCAF?
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This used to be Canada's flag until Mike Pearson replaced
it with the Liberal Party Flag.
I remember the Red Ensign quite well. Pearson's original proposal was three red maple leaves on a common stem on a white background, with blue borders on either end. Dief the Chief being his usual pigheaded self nixed the idea and we wound up with the flag of the Liberal Party of Canada. It's still a nice flag though.
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Chaxterium wrote:

Actually you're wrong. The tail numbers on the CC-150s are only 5 digits.



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My guess would be that they departed from normal procedure when painting the Polaris due to all the zeros and Jim Belliveau's drawing is just returning things to to standard. He would of course be very familiar with it since he's done every demo Hornet paint job since they finally allowed us to depart from the basic grey. I'm not wrong though; if you look at the CF-349's and CF-336's, the aircraft maintenance records, they'll show a six digit registration number.

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G'day

In the case of the CC-150 Polaris, it is five digits. The Canadian Armed Forces had originaly planned on using 15 as the prefix followed by a three digit constructor's number as the serial numbers of the first three aircraft. The plan was changed to make 150 the prefix followed by a two digit number in sequence

How many of you are aware that when we initially got the Polaris, the aircraft were maintained by Canadian Airlines International. The aircraft retained the fleet numbers on the nose wheel doors.

I remember when the Liberals made such a fuss about the 'Flying Taj Mahal' (15001). I was on that aircraft and I can tell you there was nothing fancy about it. All aircraft have been exclusively operated by 437 'Husky' (T) Squadron at 8 Wing Trenton.

Here are the aircraft serial numbers and the respective fleet numbers as of April, 1995

15001 - 206
15002 - 212
15003 - 202
15004 - 205
15005 – 204

It is interesting to note that aircraft of the post-war R.C.A.F. / C.A.F. / R.C.A.F. V.2.0 had aircraft with three, four, five or six digit serial numbers. They also had a alpha-numeric serial numbers as well. These were aircraft with R.A.F. serial numbers that were used in Canada during the war and retained post-war. i.e. HB145 which was a Beechcraft Expeditor Mk. 3T. In 1968 and again in 1970, a number of aircraft types had their serial numbers changed from R.C.A.F. to Canadian Armed Forces serial numbers. Quite confusing at times.

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15001 first flew Dec 17 1987 and was delivered new to Wardair as C-GBWD Feb 23 1988

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Transferred to Canadian Jan 15 1990, went into storage 1992 - to Canadian Armed Forces 1993 - all 5 ex Wardair/Canadian sold for 51.2 million to 57.1 million to Canada Govt.
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For what it's worth, I like it!
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200hr Wonder wrote:When did blue become part of our national colour scheme?
Pretty sure blue has been part of the Air Force colour scheme since the Air Force has been the Air Force, in pretty much any of its Royal, or non Royal versions.

Now if they would only bring back the Flt Lt, and Sqn Ldr ranks instead of Capt and Maj.

Think it looks great, if the blue is also a Quebec colour who cares, it is there for the RCAF.
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Colonel Sanders wrote:
When did blue become part of our national colour scheme?
Like having the french words first, it looks like
they did that to make it look like the French flag,
to keep Quebec happy:

Image



A lot of blue in the Quebec flag:

Image



Anyone here old enough to remember the Ensign?

Image

This used to be Canada's flag until Mike Pearson replaced
it with the Liberal Party Flag.

Pop Quiz (and highly aviation-related): How did Lester Pearson
get the nickname "Mike"?
In 1917, Pearson transferred to the Royal Flying Corps (as the Royal Canadian Air Force did not exist at that time), where he served as a Flying Officer until being sent home with injuries from two accidents; while training as a pilot at an air training school in Hendon, England, Pearson survived an airplane crash during his first flight.

In 1918, he was hit by a London bus during a citywide blackout and was sent home as an invalid to recuperate, and was then discharged from the service. It was as a pilot that he received the nickname of "Mike", given to him by a flight instructor who felt that "Lester" was too mild a name for an airman. Thereafter, Pearson would use the name "Lester" on official documents and in public life, but was always addressed as "Mike" by friends and family.[4]

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Gotta love it. I mean we only placed "Royal" back into the names of our three branches for fun right? We have no British roots here in Canada. Why the f*** do we have blue !!!!

Oh, and where are all the Harper haters? Shouldn't they be making a stink that the PM has his own freshly painted airbus?
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OK, like Panama and Skyhunter I LIKE IT!

Jackie Kennedy apparently designed the paint scheme on the Air Force One 707 which has carried over to the 747! It still looks great!

This is much better than tone down grey!

Still looks very RCAF to me great colour choice!
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Tail numbers on the CC-137`s (Boeing 707) were 13701 - 13705, and the CC-138`s (Twin Otter) were 13801 - 13809.

The CC-117`s (Falcon 20`s) that we ordered in 1966 were delivered as 20501 - 20507 - they were re-registered in 1970 to avoid confusion with CF-100 tail numbers and re-registered 117501 - 117508.

Not bad actually, we traded CL-215`s as part of the deal for the first 7 of 8 Falcon 20`s.

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Photo Ken Marshall, Prestwick Airport July 5 1967 `20502`on delivery to RCAF Air Transport Command.
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I like it, but I also think the current one looks cool. A couple points though, the airplane belongs to the Royal Canadian Air Force not the government, so that's what it should say on the side or simply "Canada". Also since it's the RCAF's airplane their opinion on how to paint it should carry the day, not some pinheads in the PMO's office.
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