Conflicts Please Advise

[MartinB]

I was just curious about something. A lot of pilots here seem annoyed about people adding "any conflicts please advise" to their transmissions on the unicom. Since I'm not a pilot YET, I thought I'd inquire about what to say instead so I don't become a nuisance on the radio right off the bat. So what would be the proper way to make your presence known on the unicom?

[TeePeeCreeper]

Good question!

It irks me when I hear "conflicting traffic please advise 123.2 and 126.7" as it's assumed that if I heard your last position report and was near you that I would obviously respond to your call with a "hey I'm here, and our paths may cross" kinda thing.

To further answer your question...

Traffic in *** (area) *** (type) *** (call sign last 3 indents) *** (altitude) ***(present position)*** (direction ie:North West bound) or (Destination) ***the end***

Thank you for seeking clarification to your question that will ensure you don't make me cringe while I sip my coffee!

All the best,
TPC

[ahramin]

Who you are, where you are, where you are going. Pertinent information only.

[Colonel Sanders]

What he said. In spades.

Friday evening, I was orbiting south of Geneseo, NY
with Eric, waiting for the air boss to call us in from
our air start.

Rob Holland in his MXS-RH and Scooter in his P-51
were doing surface aerobatics. Various warbirds
were orbiting and waiting for the waivered airspace
to end so they could land.

So, for various regulatory and practical reasons,
we were using 122.9 (D52 CTAF) for comm, which
I was not happy about.

What a garbage frequency it was. As a Canadian,
I was ashamed at the useless drivel being continally
spewed non-stop by the Canadian pilots on the north
shore of Lake Ontario. Totally saturating the frequency
with

"ALL CONFLICTING TRAFFIC PLEASE ADVICE"

and all sorts of other totally useless, continually
repeated information.

But hey, it made you feel cool on the radio, to
hog the frequency as a private pilot, didn't it?

Well, you sure made us Canadians look bad, as
we all tried to get a word in edgewise on 122.90
to try to co-ordinate the low-altitude aerobatic
and fast-moving warbird activity in waivered
airspace.

Good job, Toronto! Between Rob Ford and your
inability to stop talking and lift your thumb from
the PTT, you make us look like buffoons.

[Colonel Sanders]

If I was God (or Merlin Preuss - I am told God
must answer to Merlin Preuss) I would require
a new TSO be enacted for all PTT switches,
applicable to all certified, homebuilt, and handheld
comm radios.

This TSO would require a heater be installed on
the PTT. This heater would be required to increase
the temperature of the PTT by 10 degrees C for
every second that it is depressed.

So, when the pilots in Toronto wanted to blather
on for 10 seconds on the radio about completely
useless nonsense, their thumb would be heated
to 100C.

You're welcome. I will not even bother submitting
a patent for this idea, and will release it unfettered
into the public domain.

[Shiny Side Up]

Print it off, post it wherever you go.

[I_Drive_Planes]

I took my father flying a few weeks ago and someone made one of the worst "any conflicting traffic please advise" calls I've ever heard. My father, who is not a pilot, said "I'm surprised he didn't tell us what he was having for dinner!"

[PilotDAR]

What my colleagues just posted for you. Say the minimum required to get the information across, using the least time on the air you can to do it.

[Colonel Sanders]

Imagine that each syllable cost you $100.

[Chuck Finley]

That means you can only use 5 syllable.

[pelmet]

Good job, Toronto! Between Rob Ford and your
inability to stop talking and lift your thumb from
the PTT, you make us look like buffoons.

Sorry but did Rob Ford do something wrong?

[Heliian]

Print it off, post it wherever you go.

I don't think the government would appreciate you using their design and logo without their consent. Although that is good info, the surrounding "take 5" and logos should be removed.

[Colonel Sanders]

[halfmilevis]

Print it off, post it wherever you go.

I don't think the government would appreciate you using their design and logo without their consent. Although that is good info, the surrounding "take 5" and logos should be removed.

What are you talking about? Those are meant to be distributed...

HMV

[Tailwind W10]

I was just curious about something. A lot of pilots here seem annoyed about people adding "any conflicts please advise" to their transmissions on the unicom. Since I'm not a pilot YET, I thought I'd inquire about what to say instead so I don't become a nuisance on the radio right off the bat. So what would be the proper way to make your presence known on the unicom?

Just to answer your question very directly: You use nothing 'instead' of that phrase.

The Industry Canada study guide for the restricted radio license (aeronautic) has no mention of the phrase. Nor will you find it in any Transport Canada publication. It's purely an invention of Canadian pilots and / or instructors, you also won't find it used elsewhere in the world. (as far as I know anyway)

Consider this: You broadcast your position and altitude, and finish it with the dreaded "Any conflicting traffic please advise." There's another airplane in the same location and altitude you just reported. He wants to talk to you RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!! Your extra two to three seconds on frequency is preventing him from doing so.

Any traffic that may conflict with you needs no encouragement to reply to your broadcast, he doesn't want to hit you any more than you want to hit him. "ACTPA" isn't recommended phrasology, don't use it. EVER!

Cheers
Gerry

[Krimson]

Print it off, post it wherever you go.

I don't think the government would appreciate you using their design and logo without their consent. Although that is good info, the surrounding "take 5" and logos should be removed.

What are you talking about? Those are meant to be distributed...

HMV

I think he is referring to this not being a government produced "take 5" segment.

"3. Where you're at."

[Shiny Side Up]

"3. Where you're at."

Oh, I'm sorry, for you Newfies, that would be "Where you're to." Feel free to substitute it at your leisure.

[MartinB]

Thanks for clarifying guys! I guess not only would saying "any conflicts...please advise" take up more air time on the frequency than necessary, but I guess it also invites everybody in the area to key their mics.

^This reply made me laugh out loud in my office. I'm getting weird looks.

Cheers!

[Pop n Fresh]

I end transmissions with, "If you're a Moran planin' to have a mid air please pick a different dance partner."

That way if they are and would have ignored, "Any conflicting traffic please advise." Hopefully they will think I'm on to 'em because I'm magic and not want to crash into me.

[DanWEC]

It's completely redundant.

This is a forum post.

[Pop n Fresh]

Like ATM machine.

[AirFrame]

Maybe we should end all forum posts with "any conflicting opinions please advise".

If you can see the silliness in that suggestion, maybe it'll go a long way to explaining why it's out of place while flying too.

[Colonel Sanders]

As long as people don't understand that excessively
long transmissions render the frequency useless, this
problem will persist.

The ultimate version of "ACTPA" is a stuck mike, which
completely shuts down the freq. I guess many private
pilots don't have a problem with stuck mikes, either.
Maybe they think it makes them rock stars or something.

Once you understand that when it gets busy, time is
precious, then people can start to see the virtue of a
shorter radio call which contains the same information
as a longer radio call.

I am NOT advocating speaking quickly. That's worse
than useless. But, you have a budget of syllables.

Compare this:

"Vee Oh Jay, Final 24"

with

"Maule Foxtrot Victor Oscar Juliette, turning left final runway two four Smiths Falls touch and go. All conflicting traffic please advise Maule Foxtrot Victor Oscar Juliette at Smiths Falls on one two two point seven oh"

My call is SEVEN syllables.

Your call is FIFTY-FOUR syllables, consuming 7.7
times as much of the precious time on the freq.

[Shiny Side Up]

Compare this:

"Vee Oh Jay, Final 24"

with

"Maule Foxtrot Victor Oscar Juliette, turning left final runway two four Smiths Falls touch and go. All conflicting traffic please advise Maule Foxtrot Victor Oscar Juliette at Smiths Falls on one two two point seven oh"

Lets be honest Colonel, one would be happy if one could just cut it down to the "Smith Falls, Victor Oscar Juliette, final two four." And you didn't even get as bad with your "bad example" as some of these get. I'm starting to hear this kind of crap:

"Smith Falls traffic, Smith falls traffic, on frequency one two two decimal seven zero this is Maule Em-Four Charlie Foxtrot Victor Oscar Juliette, currently turning left final at Smith Falls for runway two four at Smiths Falls intending touch and go. All conflicting traffic please advise Maule Em-Four Charlie Foxtrot Victor Oscar Juliette at Smiths Falls on one two two decimal seven zero. Smith Falls Traffic, Smith Falls traffic."

The worst of course are the ones when people aren't near airports.

"Traffic in the vicinity of Smith Falls this is Cessna Stationaire Charlie Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie currently approximately twenty three decimal five miles to the north currently on a heading of three two zero degrees bearing of zero one zero degrees from Smith Falls currently at five thousand, five hundred feet intending to come in to Smith Falls and join a downwind left for the active two four runway. Conflicts please advise on one two two decimal seven zero, its Cessna Stationaire Charlie Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie traffic in the vicinity of Smith Falls.

And amazingly they can be worse than that.

[Colonel Sanders]

SSU: how cringeworthy.

What I want to know is - do these pilots know
how bad they sound, and how wasteful they are?
Do they know they are rendering the frequency
useless? Perhaps not. I hope not.

But perhaps they do, and they don't care. Their
long transmission is simply part of the narcissism
and vanity that drives them to create and maintain
such obnoxious facebook pages, and to tweet us all
what they ate for breakfast today.