With Porter expanding, and Flair supposedly growing to 50 fins maybe finally AC will feel the pressure on hiring and we can all start a nice upward trend on Canadian pilot pay.schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:15 amHehe all good, at least it's very positive news for an industry absolutely brutalized by the pandemic in Canada.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:59 amI saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.
Yes, definitely eating my words now.
Can't wait to see the rollout.
Porter receiving E195-E2?
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I commuted between YTZ and YUL for almost two years, and usually flew on Porter. They are a great airline with a lot of great employees but it's not THAT much better. Certainly not if you have other options. Porter's shtick was flying out of YTZ and focusing on downtown business people, and once they move to YYZ they are going to be competing bigtime with other major players.YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:05 pmYou’ve obviously never flown Porter before, their service and experience is far far far superior.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:23 pmWhy would anyone do that? Who would connect between Pearson and the island when you can fly WestJet or Air Canada for the same price?DHC-1 Jockey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:15 pm Porter does have an agreement with El Al whereby you can buy one ticket and connect on either airline. El Al flies out of T3 at YYZ, so I think it would make sense from a passenger-connection situation for Porter to use T3 as well.
But again, there is no room that I see at T3. The GTAA has even started fully utilizing the Satellite portion of T3 which sat vacant for years, and the infield terminal is supposed to be exclusively for Sunwing.
As a Sunwing pilot though, I'd be happy if Porter took the infield terminal. It's a major pain to get to and from that place.
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They are also missing the 70 year old flight attendants angrily complaining their grandkids can't afford a house as they continue to fly til they die.
Bring on the competition I say. As long as the pilots put together a great contract we all will benefit from the competition. Interesting choice of aircraft though.
Bring on the competition I say. As long as the pilots put together a great contract we all will benefit from the competition. Interesting choice of aircraft though.
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Don’t they have to join a union first?Tdicommuter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 pm As long as the pilots put together a great contract we all will benefit from the competition. Interesting choice of aircraft though.
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It doesn't have to be a contract, an non-union agreement with set pay and conditions for scheduling works fine. It'd be nice to see some competing wages and conditions, but that's an easy path to an early grave.rudder wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:54 amDon’t they have to join a union first?Tdicommuter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 pm As long as the pilots put together a great contract we all will benefit from the competition. Interesting choice of aircraft though.
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With this announcement and what looks to be some major fin growth over the next 5 years, they'd be smart to.rudder wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:54 amDon’t they have to join a union first?Tdicommuter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 pm As long as the pilots put together a great contract we all will benefit from the competition. Interesting choice of aircraft though.
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Isn’t it a transport Canada regulation to have 1000 hrs on a 100000 lbs aircraft prior to being PIC on a 100000 lbs aircraft.
If this is the case there are a lot of Porter pilots that dreaming of the left seat who will have to wait a couple year longer while building time.
With a qualifier such as this makes you wonder what the big picture plan actually is for staffing these aircraft?
If this is the case there are a lot of Porter pilots that dreaming of the left seat who will have to wait a couple year longer while building time.
With a qualifier such as this makes you wonder what the big picture plan actually is for staffing these aircraft?
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I’m pretty sure that isn’t a requirement.airliner wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:15 am Isn’t it a transport Canada regulation to have 1000 hrs on a 100000 lbs aircraft prior to being PIC on a 100000 lbs aircraft.
If this is the case there are a lot of Porter pilots that dreaming of the left seat who will have to wait a couple year longer while building time.
With a qualifier such as this makes you wonder what the big picture plan actually is for staffing these aircraft?
Mainline AC was upgrading A320/319/321 captains with less than 2 years from their start date precovid who wouldn’t have had 1000 hours on the jets.
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No. In theory you could go direct entry captain on a 777 from a 172 as long as you have an ATPL.airliner wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:15 am Isn’t it a transport Canada regulation to have 1000 hrs on a 100000 lbs aircraft prior to being PIC on a 100000 lbs aircraft.
If this is the case there are a lot of Porter pilots that dreaming of the left seat who will have to wait a couple year longer while building time.
With a qualifier such as this makes you wonder what the big picture plan actually is for staffing these aircraft?
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The only requirement to be pic on any 705 aircraft is an ATPL.
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Maybe not.
But there must be some restriction on having 2 pilots up front with zero time on type.
The jurisdiction I fly in requires 1 of the two up front to have 100hrs on type.
So priority is to get Capt's to 100hrs after entry into service of a new type so they can fly with new FO's, but they would still need to fly with someone with 100hrs on type until they themselves get that requirement.
This usually necessitates bring in some outside help until sufficient Capt's gain the required experience.
But there must be some restriction on having 2 pilots up front with zero time on type.
The jurisdiction I fly in requires 1 of the two up front to have 100hrs on type.
So priority is to get Capt's to 100hrs after entry into service of a new type so they can fly with new FO's, but they would still need to fly with someone with 100hrs on type until they themselves get that requirement.
This usually necessitates bring in some outside help until sufficient Capt's gain the required experience.
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Otherwise known as ‘consolidation’. Different requirements for different jurisdictions and different operators.Bleed Air wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:18 am Maybe not.
But there must be some restriction on having 2 pilots up front with zero time on type.
The jurisdiction I fly in requires 1 of the two up front to have 100hrs on type.
So priority is to get Capt's to 100hrs after entry into service of a new type so they can fly with new FO's, but they would still need to fly with someone with 100hrs on type until they themselves get that requirement.
This usually necessitates bring in some outside help until sufficient Capt's gain the required experience.
As for prior experience, there is no regulatory requirement. Just licensing. Having said that, there should be a common sense implementation. That is entirely a local matter.
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https://simpleflying.com/embraer-turbop ... iteration/
Maybe they decided on the E195 E2 so they could get a deal on the new turboprop.
Maybe they decided on the E195 E2 so they could get a deal on the new turboprop.
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I doubt it. That aircraft hasn't left the drawing board yet.MortyBubba wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:23 am https://simpleflying.com/embraer-turbop ... iteration/
Maybe they decided on the E195 E2 so they could get a deal on the new turboprop.
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Porter Airlines Finalizes Sale – Leasebacks For 19 Embraer E195-E2s
https://simpleflying.com/porter-finaliz ... leaseback/
https://simpleflying.com/porter-finaliz ... leaseback/
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Any updates on the E2 expansion?
Haven’t heard much and apparently the WAWCONs have yet to be released.
Haven’t heard much and apparently the WAWCONs have yet to be released.
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Signing bonus for DEC's. Training to start this summer in Paris. First year pay for the left seat around 120/hr. Awaiting further details on payscale/wawcon.
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I heard rumors that some Porter pilots were training in Europe for the Embraer.
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Until their own sim is set up in Toronto the Paris sim is the only e2 sim currently running is my understandingRoAF-Mig21 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm I heard rumors that some Porter pilots were training in Europe for the Embraer.
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Yup. That's it. A buddy of mine lives there (and works in the industry), so he told me.C-GGGQ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:10 pmUntil their own sim is set up in Toronto the Paris sim is the only e2 sim currently running is my understandingRoAF-Mig21 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm I heard rumors that some Porter pilots were training in Europe for the Embraer.
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"Their own sim" is somewhat correct. From what I gather, it's going to be owned and maintained by a major pilot training center, but Porter will have a contract for 100% of it's use for the first several years.C-GGGQ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:10 pmUntil their own sim is set up in Toronto the Paris sim is the only e2 sim currently running is my understandingRoAF-Mig21 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm I heard rumors that some Porter pilots were training in Europe for the Embraer.
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If Porter is looking for qualified and experienced E-jet training Captains, it will have to be a pretty healthy bonus. For qualified line Captains/DEC, $120k to start with a one time incentive payment might be enough to stimulate subscription, particularly for E175 Captains lower on the pay scale at Jazz.TrustinThrust wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm Signing bonus for DEC's. Training to start this summer in Paris. First year pay for the left seat around 120/hr. Awaiting further details on payscale/wawcon.
The new fleet type Chief Pilot is ex-SKV/Jazz. I am certain there will be overtures to some E175 training pilots at Jazz. These training pilots will be comfortably making $140-150k at Jazz. I wonder how much Porter is prepared to pay a type qualified ACP? They will need quite a few to spool up the program and get TC sign off.
What it may come down to is risk tolerance. Jazz is a guaranteed gig until 2035. And Porter? Who knows.
Several former SKV Flt ops managers seemed more than happy to move on from Jazz. Now time to see if it will be the same for the former SKV E175 training pilots and E175 line Captains. The younger ones probably have a move to AC in their long term plan. Will have to decide if that path will be quicker via Jazz or Porter/OTS. And the older ones - it might be about relative seniority and T4 and job security.
Time will tell.
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What ever happened to the C series Porter ordered? Just vanished.
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It was a ‘conditional’ order. Conditions were never met (CYTZ landing rights).
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They ended up selling those rights, correct?