WestJet "sets the record straight"

[thepoors]

Yup… it’s the wingsuit guy

I think it's more likely he's just some incel retard.

[Tbayer2021]

Whatever or whomever he is, one thing is clear. He is extremely bothered by pilots finally fighting back. We may not win as much as we wanted, we may not win at all. But the mere act of standing up to the company is just unacceptable to him.

The funny thing is that he's worried or afraid to some degree. Because he wouldn't be this riled up if he truly believed what pilots are doing was a waste of their time.

[accountant]

Whatever or whomever he is, one thing is clear. He is extremely bothered by pilots finally fighting back. We may not win as much as we wanted, we may not win at all. But the mere act of standing up to the company is just unacceptable to him.

The funny thing is that he's worried or afraid to some degree. Because he wouldn't be this riled up if he truly believed what pilots are doing was a waste of their time.

Standing up to the company is not a problem for me.

Asking for ridiculous increases well above and beyond inflation when many go hungry is ridiculous. You're already well treated as your careers go on (250K is a decent salary for a captain!) but your demands are beyond ridiculous. The public, other than a few heavy handed union lovers doesn't support your cause.

Not afraid one bit. On the contrary I should say given how many of you respond, it's obvious *you're* all concerned.

Let's face it. If you came to the table and said "8-10% is reasonable", you'd have had a deal done already.

[digits_]

Let's face it. If you came to the table and said "8-10% is reasonable", you'd have had a deal done already.

That's one year of inflation. When inflation the past years has been largely ignored.

If you were to pay all your pilots 250k, nobody would want to strike.
It doesn't matter that your captains can achieve 250k if half of your work force won't get their for another 10 years. Pay them for the work they do now. Not what they could potentially make in 10 years. That's still a few CBA's away.

Don't pay them in hope and reams. Pay them in today's dollars.

[Tbayer2021]

Whatever or whomever he is, one thing is clear. He is extremely bothered by pilots finally fighting back. We may not win as much as we wanted, we may not win at all. But the mere act of standing up to the company is just unacceptable to him.

The funny thing is that he's worried or afraid to some degree. Because he wouldn't be this riled up if he truly believed what pilots are doing was a waste of their time.

Standing up to the company is not a problem for me.

Asking for ridiculous increases well above and beyond inflation when many go hungry is ridiculous. You're already well treated as your careers go on (250K is a decent salary for a captain!) but your demands are beyond ridiculous. The public, other than a few heavy handed union lovers doesn't support your cause.

Not afraid one bit. On the contrary I should say given how many of you respond, it's obvious *you're* all concerned.

Let's face it. If you came to the table and said "8-10% is reasonable", you'd have had a deal done already.

Hell of an accountant you are if you don't even understand inflation! Getting paid 250K in 2023 will afford you less than 250K did in 2022 and even less than 2021. What these companies are offering doesn't even keep up with inflation to be able to maintain a lifestyle.

But I guess your argument is that we should still feel lucky we get that much since so many don't get anywhere close. I wonder why you don't spend your energy criticizing executives that give themselves massive bonuses while the airline is still bleeding money. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder.

[accountant]

Whatever or whomever he is, one thing is clear. He is extremely bothered by pilots finally fighting back. We may not win as much as we wanted, we may not win at all. But the mere act of standing up to the company is just unacceptable to him.

The funny thing is that he's worried or afraid to some degree. Because he wouldn't be this riled up if he truly believed what pilots are doing was a waste of their time.

Standing up to the company is not a problem for me.

Asking for ridiculous increases well above and beyond inflation when many go hungry is ridiculous. You're already well treated as your careers go on (250K is a decent salary for a captain!) but your demands are beyond ridiculous. The public, other than a few heavy handed union lovers doesn't support your cause.

Not afraid one bit. On the contrary I should say given how many of you respond, it's obvious *you're* all concerned.

Let's face it. If you came to the table and said "8-10% is reasonable", you'd have had a deal done already.

Hell of an accountant you are if you don't even understand inflation! Getting paid 250K in 2023 will afford you less than 250K did in 2022 and even less than 2021. What these companies are offering doesn't even keep up with inflation to be able to maintain a lifestyle.

But I guess your argument is that we should still feel lucky we get that much since so many don't get anywhere close. I wonder why you don't spend your energy criticizing executives that give themselves massive bonuses while the airline is still bleeding money. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder.

Oh I understand, but you're being ridiculous. Your industry punishes the juniors and keeps all the cream at the top. You make it seem like it's evil corps holding you back, but the reality is it's always dog eat dog, and the dogs at the top punish the junios because "It's always been this way".

You could have already brought up the bottom of the pay scale if the top didn't demand parity in increase percentages. It's easier to boost up the base than the top.

And...

I do criticize the executives, they're just as bad, but this isn't "Av-Executives", this is a pilots forum.

[Tbayer2021]

Standing up to the company is not a problem for me.

Asking for ridiculous increases well above and beyond inflation when many go hungry is ridiculous. You're already well treated as your careers go on (250K is a decent salary for a captain!) but your demands are beyond ridiculous. The public, other than a few heavy handed union lovers doesn't support your cause.

Not afraid one bit. On the contrary I should say given how many of you respond, it's obvious *you're* all concerned.

Let's face it. If you came to the table and said "8-10% is reasonable", you'd have had a deal done already.

Hell of an accountant you are if you don't even understand inflation! Getting paid 250K in 2023 will afford you less than 250K did in 2022 and even less than 2021. What these companies are offering doesn't even keep up with inflation to be able to maintain a lifestyle.

But I guess your argument is that we should still feel lucky we get that much since so many don't get anywhere close. I wonder why you don't spend your energy criticizing executives that give themselves massive bonuses while the airline is still bleeding money. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder.

Oh I understand, but you're being ridiculous. Your industry punishes the juniors and keeps all the cream at the top. You make it seem like it's evil corps holding you back, but the reality is it's always dog eat dog, and the dogs at the top punish the junios because "It's always been this way".

You could have already brought up the bottom of the pay scale if the top didn't demand parity in increase percentages. It's easier to boost up the base than the top.

And...

I do criticize the executives, they're just as bad, but this isn't "Av-Executives", this is a pilots forum.

It's funny because just about every point you make, is what US companies used to tell their pilots why they couldn't pay them more. All the way down to the regional pilots making 20K a year. All of the sudden, a regional FO now starts at 100K+ in the US. Did the population in the US all of the sudden quintuple? Did the US market change in any drastic way? Nope, the money was always there, it just wasn't going to the pilots or any other employee group. Somehow, all of those companies that screamed bankruptcy if they paid pilots more than 20K are still there and making money.

My previous employer was in a bitter contract negotiation with ALPA that ended up in arbitration. The company was singing the all too familiar tune of not being able to afford such increases. Somehow the stars aligned and the arbitrator awarded the pilots most things around finances. it was 20-30% raises across the board just on base salary. There was also a substantial perdiem incirease, better credit for training, vacation and sick days.
And you know what happened to that company? They're still there being quite profitable. They've even expanded.

We know everything you say is just pure horse shit.

[RippleRock]

Why are you guys engaging this female accountant?

She is clearly hysterical. Probably jilted by a Westjet pilot. Jilted women always have a vendetta.

[Oleo 4]

Lets not bring sex into this debate. We are above that!

Accountant is allowed to have his opinions and be overly zealous in being a singular voice. He isn't completely wrong as Canadian aviation has always lacked the fortitude to unite and stand shoulder to shoulder with our peers. Until now!

Lets prove him wrong!

[rando]

Whatever or whomever he is, one thing is clear. He is extremely bothered by pilots finally fighting back. We may not win as much as we wanted, we may not win at all. But the mere act of standing up to the company is just unacceptable to him.

The funny thing is that he's worried or afraid to some degree. Because he wouldn't be this riled up if he truly believed what pilots are doing was a waste of their time.

Standing up to the company is not a problem for me.

Asking for ridiculous increases well above and beyond inflation when many go hungry is ridiculous. You're already well treated as your careers go on (250K is a decent salary for a captain!) but your demands are beyond ridiculous. The public, other than a few heavy handed union lovers doesn't support your cause.

Not afraid one bit. On the contrary I should say given how many of you respond, it's obvious *you're* all concerned.

Let's face it. If you came to the table and said "8-10% is reasonable", you'd have had a deal done already.

Half that money is paid back in taxes, what’s good for the geese is good for the gander. Trudeau would be salivating at the additional tax revenue. He can go spend it on all the hungry people. It’s not like airline pilots can run their taxes like a business and write off a bunch of expenses. Now with how archaic our tax brackets are six figures makes you pay tax like the “super rich” but we all know 200k today is like 100 only a decade ago. Thank the turd, like father like son, the inflation tax.

[‘Bob’]

Income tax is lower than when the conservatives were in power for most earners.

If you’re unable to keep your taxable income under $221,708
to avoid paying 33% federal income taxes… I can’t say that I or most of the nation feels much sympathy for you.

[FlyYYC]

Yup… it’s the wingsuit guy

No. I think it's that swoop guy that went to Flair.

[lostaviator]

Whatever or whomever he is, one thing is clear. He is extremely bothered by pilots finally fighting back. We may not win as much as we wanted, we may not win at all. But the mere act of standing up to the company is just unacceptable to him.

The funny thing is that he's worried or afraid to some degree. Because he wouldn't be this riled up if he truly believed what pilots are doing was a waste of their time.

Let's face it. If you came to the table and said "8-10% is reasonable", you'd have had a deal done already.

You just proved you know very little about what is going on here. It's not all about money, it's about job security. And if you ARE someone from management in some department, you should be just as concerned about job security as we are after being told for the past year that no one was going to lose their job after project MS. Well. What happened?

[BTD]

Income tax is lower than when the conservatives were in power for most earners.

If you’re unable to keep your taxable income under $221,708
to avoid paying 33% federal income taxes… I can’t say that I or most of the nation feels much sympathy for you.

. It’s tough to tell, but the above implies that you think someone who makes a dollar more than the bracket ($221 708. In 2022) amount will take home less than someone who makes a dollar less?

[CanadaAir]

WestJet's letter claims the geography WestJet pilots fly different than the US.

WestJet and US airlines share same airspace & destinations & same geography east to west.
More US airlines fly further north than WestJet. Alaska's a state, & polar routes.

Airspace, geography, destinations & aircraft type not reasons to pay WestJet pilots less.

[Mostly Harmless]

The US is not a comparable. Get over it already. 10x the population, entirely different travel market, entirely different funding model as far as transportation, taxes, etc go, and massively financed operations that are hugely reliant on ancillary (card / ff) spend.

Meanwhile, you're asking for a massive raise from the Greyhound Air of Canada expecting they can pay Delta wages.

They aren't even part of an alliance or have any sort of semblance of a reasonable FF program that drives customers to take its flights.

You want to make US wages? Operate and pilot your airline like a top tier airline, not a bottom feeder. Even AC has you beat now and is crushing you on the business segment.

You must have the single greatest life of anyone I have ever met. Because, if you really have nothing else to do in life but complain about something that has no effect on your life at all, then you have absolutely nothing going on in your own life. Congratulations on living problem free.

Either that or, you have a serious personality disorder which causes you to be so fully consumed by the very idea other people, who are strangers to you, may improve their lives or possibly make more money than you do. So maybe you have the saddest life of anyone I know.

[TheAlcalde]

The US is not a comparable. Get over it already. 10x the population, entirely different travel market, entirely different funding model as far as transportation, taxes, etc go, and massively financed operations that are hugely reliant on ancillary (card / ff) spend.

Meanwhile, you're asking for a massive raise from the Greyhound Air of Canada expecting they can pay Delta wages.

They aren't even part of an alliance or have any sort of semblance of a reasonable FF program that drives customers to take its flights.

You want to make US wages? Operate and pilot your airline like a top tier airline, not a bottom feeder. Even AC has you beat now and is crushing you on the business segment.

You must have the single greatest life of anyone I have ever met. Because, if you really have nothing else to do in life but complain about something that has no effect on your life at all, then you have absolutely nothing going on in your own life. Congratulations on living problem free.

Either that or, you have a serious personality disorder which causes you to be so fully consumed by the very idea other people, who are strangers to you, may improve their lives or possibly make more money than you do. So maybe you have the saddest life of anyone I know.

You said it. That guy is Crabs in a bucket