CEO throwing Mechanics/Union under the bus

[daedalusx]

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https://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/uni ... eID=923835

How stupid is this management team ? They painted themselves in a corner waiting for daddy government to bail them out, in the meanwhile it’ll be 10s of M of loss revenue, loss of reputation, bad publicity, refunds, etc over basically what amounts to 0.25-0.50$ increase on a ticket price.

Heads will roll for this … no doubt.

[rookiepilot]

Leadership is on it.

https://x.com/MelissaMbarki/status/1807131916812087619

[Canadaflyer46]

I wonder if they’ve read the passenger bill of rights as thoroughly as they read the CIRB decision. If this is ruled within their control, and remember, the lockout was not rescinded either, that would hurt.

The compensation for this would be disastrous. And compared to the 8 million economic difference of opinion we are fighting over here, I wonder if the ex-astronomer CEO’s head is still stuck in space.

It's just personal, it's not business anymore at this point.

Agree 100%.

My math has this costing 30-50 million in passenger comp so far(if not more).

They will be sure to highlight this in November and May for the next year or two on dates we were supposed to have profit share as a way to turn employee groups against one another.

In yesterday’s press conference they said they’re not paying compensation as it’s outside their control. I am sure that will be challenged. They said they are rebooking/refunding and providing hotels as a ‘good will gesture’.

[Old fella]

It's just personal, it's not business anymore at this point.

Agree 100%.

My math has this costing 30-50 million in passenger comp so far(if not more).

They will be sure to highlight this in November and May for the next year or two on dates we were supposed to have profit share as a way to turn employee groups against one another.

In the article I just read, WJ plans to hold AMFA fully responsible for the damage they caused, lol.
If this management team still has their jobs after this, I would be completely dumbfounded!

WJ Mgt are looking quite stupid as they effing well know AMFA is conducting themselves in a legal manner which is their constitutional right to do so - and more to the point there is “eff all” WJ Mgt can do about it.

[truecolours]

Based on today’s email from DP, this will drag on until the government steps in. They have dug in and can’t be seen as giving in to the union. They need the government to make it look like they didn’t lose.

The above, mixed with the fact this federal government has to tread very carefully with labour (ndp supporting them) this could get messy. The government isn’t going to topple itself over one corporations miscalculated negotiation tactic.

[TheLastonetoknow]

Agree 100%.

My math has this costing 30-50 million in passenger comp so far(if not more).

They will be sure to highlight this in November and May for the next year or two on dates we were supposed to have profit share as a way to turn employee groups against one another.

In the article I just read, WJ plans to hold AMFA fully responsible for the damage they caused, lol.
If this management team still has their jobs after this, I would be completely dumbfounded!

WJ Mgt are looking quite stupid as they effing well know AMFA is conducting themselves in a legal manner which is their constitutional right to do so - and more to the point there is “eff all” WJ Mgt can do about it.

They’ve been looking stupid since last spring with the mainline pilot situation, Encore pilots recently and now this current debacle.

Look this is all on the shoulders of the current management and it’ll cost them with all the cancellations on a long weekend.

They truly are dumber than dog $@&!

[planenuts]

Such a beautifully written piece...

https://calgaryherald.com/news/braid-fe ... trike-mess

[laminar]

If any WJ AMEs are seeing this, I truly hope you get your fair shake at wage increases to bring you above and beyond what people in other industries make. My great uncle was an AME for many decades and I could never understand why I was making more as an automotive technician. You have so much liability and responsibility with hundreds of lives at stake every time you work. You all deserve so much more!

[planenuts]

Based on today’s email from DP, this will drag on until the government steps in. They have dug in and can’t be seen as giving in to the union. They need the government to make it look like they didn’t lose.

The above, mixed with the fact this federal government has to tread very carefully with labour (ndp supporting them) this could get messy. The government isn’t going to topple itself over one corporations miscalculated negotiation tactic.

Minister O'Regan's latest statement is that there is nothing he can do and the 2 parties have to work it out themselves.

[accountant]

How many years is the union hoping for? Don't forget to calculate the first year difference over the incremental effect that has on future years.

[digits_]

How many years is the union hoping for? Don't forget to calculate the first year difference over the incremental effect that has on future years.

I don't think that matters. The gains now will likely stay indefinitely, regardless if it's a 3 or 5 or 10 years contract. They'll likely stagnate and have inflation eat away at them leading to another conflict in 10 years and the cycle continues.

[planenuts]

How many years is the union hoping for? Don't forget to calculate the first year difference over the incremental effect that has on future years.

We are asking for a 5 year deal...however I believe a first deal that been arbitrated is only good for 2 years

[theacolyte]

How is this still going on? How many millions has WJ lost in hard revenue and future bookings/goodwill?

[Canadaflyer46]

How is this still going on? How many millions has WJ lost in hard revenue and future bookings/goodwill?

It was never about the money. It’s about saving face.
A woeful weekend of weak-leadership, finger pointing and blame games.
Now they’re just waiting for the government to force them to settle so they don’t look like they’re giving in to a union that has them by the balls.

[accountant]

How many years is the union hoping for? Don't forget to calculate the first year difference over the incremental effect that has on future years.

I don't think that matters. The gains now will likely stay indefinitely, regardless if it's a 3 or 5 or 10 years contract. They'll likely stagnate and have inflation eat away at them leading to another conflict in 10 years and the cycle continues.

It does matter if the 8 million in gains is first year as that forms the baseline for any increases in year 2-5. Company and union are looking at it in entirely different ways. Company is looking at 8 being 40+++

Either way, they messed up when the union called their bluff. Curious to see how long this lasts.

[Splash]

How is this still going on? How many millions has WJ lost in hard revenue and future bookings/goodwill?

It was never about the money. It’s about saving face.
A woeful weekend of weak-leadership, finger pointing and blame games.
Now they’re just waiting for the government to force them to settle so they don’t look like they’re giving in to a union that has them by the balls.

Yeah, that about sums it up. I'm afraid it doesn't look like the government will be coming to the rescue anytime soon.

[braaap Braap]

How is this still going on? How many millions has WJ lost in hard revenue and future bookings/goodwill?

It was never about the money. It’s about saving face.
A woeful weekend of weak-leadership, finger pointing and blame games.
Now they’re just waiting for the government to force them to settle so they don’t look like they’re giving in to a union that has them by the balls.

Yeah, that about sums it up. I'm afraid it doesn't look like the government will be coming to the rescue anytime soon.

Nor should it. They used their powers from within the CLC and now have to watch from the sidelines. In an industry that has been a duopoly for so many decades, and with new entrants able to pick up the slack. This is all on Westjet and AMFA to kiss, make up, and collaboratively put the pieces back together.

[digits_]

The government isn’t going to topple itself over one corporations miscalculated negotiation tactic.

Especially a private one... Makes its effect on the stock market even smaller...

It sure is an interesting strategy. I expect a big fish to get fired/transfered to another company, followed by a TA that's 99% of what the AMEs are asking, followed by a press release how the root of all evil manager XYZ is no longer in the picture and all is well now. Probably by Thursday, after a few more lobbying attempts in a variety of jurisdictions will have failed.

[braaap Braap]

Such a beautifully written piece...

https://calgaryherald.com/news/braid-fe ... trike-mess

Meh I didnt think it was that well written. Such an obvious and heavy anti liberal bias. Not one ounce of responsibility was placed on Westjet Management. All a big sob story of how everyone is against Westjet - still mentioning pandemic loses? Give me a break

[Splash]

Such a beautifully written piece...
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https://calgaryherald.com/news/braid-fe ... trike-mess

Meh I didnt think it was that well written. Such an obvious and heavy anti liberal bias. Not one ounce of responsibility was placed on Westjet Management. All a big sob story of how everyone is against Westjet - still mentioning pandemic loses? Give me a break

I think you missed the sarcasm?

[QKZXKV]

Such a beautifully written piece...

https://calgaryherald.com/news/braid-fe ... trike-mess

Meh I didnt think it was that well written. Such an obvious and heavy anti liberal bias. Not one ounce of responsibility was placed on Westjet Management. All a big sob story of how everyone is against Westjet - still mentioning pandemic loses? Give me a break

If you follow Braid at all, he's usually very pro-NDP/Liberal...

And by the way, there's nothing wrong with anti-Liberal... they've destroyed this place.

[jpilot77]

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/news/202 ... mfa-strike

Looks like WestJet had to make a decent offer to the AMEs. Hats off to the AMEs finally someone in this industry taking a stand. We’re up next in a few months.

[Splash]

Strike is over:

https://x.com/WestJetALPA/status/180763 ... b4rMQ&s=08

[Me262]

Sooo, what did they got? Is it on par with US AMEs?

[phenix]

Fantastic job, congratulations to WestJet AMEs and to their union. They were determined, without closing the door to negotiations, and went head to head with tough opponents. The dust will settle down but that strike will be remembered. They made management cave.